Those who have had an idea of God and a sense of relatedness with the entity over a period of time have said the same thing ! But if you would elaborate a little more, with experiences behind your personal perspective ... instances of physical, emotional, intellectual and self recoveries.
I wouldn't know about God except that he is anything and everything creatures consider him to be. And that his love and compassion is behind the ideal from which the American Declaration of Independence draws its power and proclaims of inalienable freedoms and rights on behalf of humanity. Around the same time in France, I see the same love in Voltaire's call, ' Crush the Infamy,' despite his own less than ethical or moral life. Rather, it was wayward and seemingly godless though his honesty to himself, love for life and people, and sense of justice was legion. But the French Revolution led to The Reign Of Terror ! ? On Jul 5, 1:22 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > God certainly shows His love in strange ways, I'd say. > > On Jul 4, 12:09 pm, vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I see what you mean, Doug ! The Sufis say : Love is God. Now who will > > believe that ! ? > > > On Jul 3, 7:11 pm, DarkwaterBlight <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Truth is Vam, here in the western world the act of love is mostly > > > weighed out by others as if there is other motive behind the act > > > beyond goodness and caring. Love has been reduced to a feeling that is > > > base and somwhat ugly IMHO. It actually sickens me sometimes to hear > > > others talk of love as such. An example is that if two people are 'in > > > love' they belong to each other as if some possesion and it requires a > > > set of 'rules' which are un-written or clearly defined. The term has > > > been distorted beyond recognition to the point that if someone > > > experiences 'true love' they hardly realize it until it's too late! > > > > > No wonder, it is said love is everything ! In practice, love as it is > > > > isn't something one would think about much or often ( in eastern > > > > traditions ), except perhaps during periods of separation or loss. As > > > > a relationship, it just continues to give strength and meaning to > > > > oneself and one's life, unobtrusively and inscrutably. As an emotion, > > > > in the internal environment appropriate to our higher nature, it fills > > > > one's vitality and life - force with harmony and brings peace to our > > > > psychic world. These are monumental developments in an individual's > > > > being ... in the cause of calmness of mind, sound intellectuation and > > > > true knowledge of oneself. > > > > > Perhaps ? same sex relationships are more a matter of feeling than > > > > commitment. > > > > > On Jul 2, 7:23 pm, DarkwaterBlight <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > We are lucky and that is what I try to impress upon others... love is > > > > > a choice and not a feeling. Much different from infatuation and the > > > > > pink clouds where everything is fluffy and light. When making the > > > > > conscious choice to 'be in love' with someone (as if thats a choice) > > > > > we are choosing all the heavy baggage and BS as well. I don't think I > > > > > have ever chosen NOT to love anyone but I have selected the degrees of > > > > > love I wish to assert (ie. "No, you carry that!" or "Let me help you > > > > > with that"). Being 'in love' there are only two degrees; "I love you" > > > > > or "I hope you die" :D > > > > > > On Jul 1, 8:34 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > I agree with you. Aren't we lucky to have that choice? > > > > > > > On Jun 30, 3:16 pm, DarkwaterBlight <[email protected]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Life sometimes plays out like a novel, different twists and turns. > > > > > > > Nothing like an ironic and tragic ending! At any time we may put > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > book down and pick up a different one that's more agreeable and > > > > > > > life > > > > > > > is such as well. > > > > > > > > On Jun 29, 9:28 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > But thinking more about this- why were you attracted to these > > > > > > > > women to > > > > > > > > begin with? Afterall, a label might just be a fable. It can be > > > > > > > > like a > > > > > > > > "get out of jail" card, I suppose, but doesn't really solve > > > > > > > > much for > > > > > > > > the supposedly "sane" partner.//I wrote lyric poetry for a > > > > > > > > while and > > > > > > > > it had its own music without the notes- a percussion?//Keep the > > > > > > > > faith, > > > > > > > > Darkwater! Lord- I was so enchanted and amazed to read a book > > > > > > > > the last > > > > > > > > couple of days- at first. By the end I was shattered and > > > > > > > > probably > > > > > > > > won't read the others I've reserved at the library. Reminds me > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > love! :-) > > > > > > > > > On Jun 29, 7:48 am, DarkwaterBlight <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, both music and words come to me like getting > > > > > > > > > struck by > > > > > > > > > lightning. Wakes me up out of a sound sleep and I have to > > > > > > > > > grab my > > > > > > > > > guitar and a pad and paper.. Other times I'll start with a > > > > > > > > > tune and it > > > > > > > > > can take months or even years before I write the lyrics. If I > > > > > > > > > write > > > > > > > > > lyrics, though, there is already a tune, in my head if not a > > > > > > > > > comleted > > > > > > > > > composition. I think that out of all the women I have been > > > > > > > > > with, there > > > > > > > > > might be one or two that had their stuff together but again, > > > > > > > > > I was > > > > > > > > > just 'fun to play with' for a while. The rest, if not already > > > > > > > > > clinically diagnosed, they should be! The only long term > > > > > > > > > relationships I've had were with total nut bags. :P I can > > > > > > > > > only claim > > > > > > > > > responsibilty for one of them though. > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 29, 8:02 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I used to liken it to the "Perils of Pauline" because I > > > > > > > > > > seemed to > > > > > > > > > > escape like that old silent film drama. Now, I consider my > > > > > > > > > > life as an > > > > > > > > > > interesting one- one I have tried to make sense of and I > > > > > > > > > > think I > > > > > > > > > > succeeded in many ways- but I'll die anyway! :-) I think > > > > > > > > > > everyday of > > > > > > > > > > those who have been caught up in war or sub-human > > > > > > > > > > conditions and try > > > > > > > > > > to be grateful and humble. My troubles and turmoil are/were > > > > > > > > > > miniscule.//I tried to write lyrics for a composer friend > > > > > > > > > > but found it > > > > > > > > > > hard to write to his competed music- I think it's easier to > > > > > > > > > > shape the > > > > > > > > > > music to words- how about you?//I quit drinking nearly a > > > > > > > > > > year ago and > > > > > > > > > > am much happier with life and others. > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 28, 8:07 am, DarkwaterBlight > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting that you bring up the point of 'creator > > > > > > > > > > > types'! I'm a song > > > > > > > > > > > writer/musician and I have been greatly influenced by my > > > > > > > > > > > relationships > > > > > > > > > > > in my music and writing. It seems when there is much > > > > > > > > > > > turmoil the music > > > > > > > > > > > and lyrics flow. Vam is correct in saying that it's not > > > > > > > > > > > possible to > > > > > > > > > > > succeed in turning our emotions off and truly that was > > > > > > > > > > > never my intent > > > > > > > > > > > but as a defense mechanism I have learned to stuff them. > > > > > > > > > > > It proves to > > > > > > > > > > > be detrimental in some ways, particularly in writing. I > > > > > > > > > > > have blocked > > > > > > > > > > > much of my muse in trying to minimize the drama. Truth is > > > > > > > > > > > that life is > > > > > > > > > > > just that, a set in which we all play out our own dramas. > > > > > > > > > > > I was once > > > > > > > > > > > told by a woman I dated that I love drama and created it. > > > > > > > > > > > I perceived > > > > > > > > > > > it as her projecting her own tendencies on me ut she may > > > > > > > > > > > have been > > > > > > > > > > > correct to some extent. I did alot of writing around that > > > > > > > > > > > time! LOL! > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 28, 5:15 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > A number of creator types stay single or have > > > > > > > > > > > > arrangements that allow > > > > > > > > > > > > for a good deal of freedom but that does not guarantee > > > > > > > > > > > > inspiration in > > > > > > > > > > > > and of itself. Often, creativity feeds just as well on > > > > > > > > > > > > pressured > > > > > > > > > > > > enviornments and committments.//I doubt most children > > > > > > > > > > > > feel better off > > > > > > > > > > > > without both parents but the notion of family has > > > > > > > > > > > > changed greatly so > > > > > > > > > > > > perhaps they adapt better these days. And a wretched > > > > > > > > > > > > marriage is > > > > > > > > > > > > wretched for all plus what is lonlier than a bad > > > > > > > > > > > > marriage? Sometimes > > > > > > > > > > > > it seems strange that I took to motherhood > > > > > > > > > > > > considering...But > > > > > > > > > > > > motherhood has also changed, hasn't it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 27, 1:49 pm, vamadevananda > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " I have turned my emotional switch to 0." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all do that. And can never succeed, because > > > > > > > > > > > > > emotions are another > > > > > > > > > > > > > name of human experience. They are ours. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, some of us are better off without life partner > > > > > > > > > > > > > relationships. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mostly, for the sake of the other. Rarely, for > > > > > > > > > > > > > oneself ... for some > > > > > > > > > > > > > higher priority we must pursue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 27, 11:18 pm, DarkwaterBlight > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Spiritual Crisis? Yes I believe you may be correct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > observation. I think I have developed a willful > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance or lack of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > empathy when it comes to emotions. I have tried to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > share my feelings > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to no avail and have been left dissapointed and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feeling broken. So in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an attenpt to heal I have turned my emotional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > switch to 0. I can see > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my own spiritual crisis and do not wish to have the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > responsibility of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > someone elses 'baggage' as rigsy03 has pointed out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After our > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seperation I tryed again to no avail and yet I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > still try to make that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > connection and keep hitting the same brick wall. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know the answer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lies within myself but I'm not sure if I want to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know it. I guess I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like living in the dillusion that I am fine being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > alone in life. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know that is never true as we all have each other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but I am refering to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a permanant mate and partner in life. It's too easy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for me to give up > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on the idea rather than trying so hard and fighting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to keep a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > relationship. I know too well that there are many > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fish in the sea and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I love seafood. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 26, 12:54 pm, vamadevananda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > ... > > read more »
