Through those forms and movements, the human experiment would crossover from ' God is Love ' to ' Love is God.' They represent entirely different paradigms ! One is dual, th other non-dual.
On Jul 5, 8:02 pm, "pol.science kid" <[email protected]> wrote: > yes.. words like sanam and ishq were indeed intended for God(now stolen by > bollywood) ..our sufi and bhakti movements....growing against dogmatic > brahmanic hinduism...worshipped god as the lover..where the worshipper > sought for a complete immersion of self in God.. a divine union...I gotta > tell you the energy of a sufi concert is magical... > On Sun, Jul 4, 2010 at 10:39 PM, vamadevananda <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > I see what you mean, Doug ! The Sufis say : Love is God. Now who will > > believe that ! ? > > > On Jul 3, 7:11 pm, DarkwaterBlight <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Truth is Vam, here in the western world the act of love is mostly > > > weighed out by others as if there is other motive behind the act > > > beyond goodness and caring. Love has been reduced to a feeling that is > > > base and somwhat ugly IMHO. It actually sickens me sometimes to hear > > > others talk of love as such. An example is that if two people are 'in > > > love' they belong to each other as if some possesion and it requires a > > > set of 'rules' which are un-written or clearly defined. The term has > > > been distorted beyond recognition to the point that if someone > > > experiences 'true love' they hardly realize it until it's too late! > > > > > No wonder, it is said love is everything ! In practice, love as it is > > > > isn't something one would think about much or often ( in eastern > > > > traditions ), except perhaps during periods of separation or loss. As > > > > a relationship, it just continues to give strength and meaning to > > > > oneself and one's life, unobtrusively and inscrutably. As an emotion, > > > > in the internal environment appropriate to our higher nature, it fills > > > > one's vitality and life - force with harmony and brings peace to our > > > > psychic world. These are monumental developments in an individual's > > > > being ... in the cause of calmness of mind, sound intellectuation and > > > > true knowledge of oneself. > > > > > Perhaps ? same sex relationships are more a matter of feeling than > > > > commitment. > > > > > On Jul 2, 7:23 pm, DarkwaterBlight <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > We are lucky and that is what I try to impress upon others... love is > > > > > a choice and not a feeling. Much different from infatuation and the > > > > > pink clouds where everything is fluffy and light. When making the > > > > > conscious choice to 'be in love' with someone (as if thats a choice) > > > > > we are choosing all the heavy baggage and BS as well. I don't think I > > > > > have ever chosen NOT to love anyone but I have selected the degrees > > of > > > > > love I wish to assert (ie. "No, you carry that!" or "Let me help you > > > > > with that"). Being 'in love' there are only two degrees; "I love you" > > > > > or "I hope you die" :D > > > > > > On Jul 1, 8:34 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > I agree with you. Aren't we lucky to have that choice? > > > > > > > On Jun 30, 3:16 pm, DarkwaterBlight <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Life sometimes plays out like a novel, different twists and > > turns. > > > > > > > Nothing like an ironic and tragic ending! At any time we may put > > the > > > > > > > book down and pick up a different one that's more agreeable and > > life > > > > > > > is such as well. > > > > > > > > On Jun 29, 9:28 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > But thinking more about this- why were you attracted to these > > women to > > > > > > > > begin with? Afterall, a label might just be a fable. It can be > > like a > > > > > > > > "get out of jail" card, I suppose, but doesn't really solve > > much for > > > > > > > > the supposedly "sane" partner.//I wrote lyric poetry for a > > while and > > > > > > > > it had its own music without the notes- a percussion?//Keep the > > faith, > > > > > > > > Darkwater! Lord- I was so enchanted and amazed to read a book > > the last > > > > > > > > couple of days- at first. By the end I was shattered and > > probably > > > > > > > > won't read the others I've reserved at the library. Reminds me > > of > > > > > > > > love! :-) > > > > > > > > > On Jun 29, 7:48 am, DarkwaterBlight <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, both music and words come to me like getting > > struck by > > > > > > > > > lightning. Wakes me up out of a sound sleep and I have to > > grab my > > > > > > > > > guitar and a pad and paper.. Other times I'll start with a > > tune and it > > > > > > > > > can take months or even years before I write the lyrics. If I > > write > > > > > > > > > lyrics, though, there is already a tune, in my head if not a > > comleted > > > > > > > > > composition. I think that out of all the women I have been > > with, there > > > > > > > > > might be one or two that had their stuff together but again, > > I was > > > > > > > > > just 'fun to play with' for a while. The rest, if not already > > > > > > > > > clinically diagnosed, they should be! The only long term > > > > > > > > > relationships I've had were with total nut bags. :P I can > > only claim > > > > > > > > > responsibilty for one of them though. > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 29, 8:02 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I used to liken it to the "Perils of Pauline" because I > > seemed to > > > > > > > > > > escape like that old silent film drama. Now, I consider my > > life as an > > > > > > > > > > interesting one- one I have tried to make sense of and I > > think I > > > > > > > > > > succeeded in many ways- but I'll die anyway! :-) I think > > everyday of > > > > > > > > > > those who have been caught up in war or sub-human > > conditions and try > > > > > > > > > > to be grateful and humble. My troubles and turmoil are/were > > > > > > > > > > miniscule.//I tried to write lyrics for a composer friend > > but found it > > > > > > > > > > hard to write to his competed music- I think it's easier to > > shape the > > > > > > > > > > music to words- how about you?//I quit drinking nearly a > > year ago and > > > > > > > > > > am much happier with life and others. > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 28, 8:07 am, DarkwaterBlight < > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting that you bring up the point of 'creator > > types'! I'm a song > > > > > > > > > > > writer/musician and I have been greatly influenced by my > > relationships > > > > > > > > > > > in my music and writing. It seems when there is much > > turmoil the music > > > > > > > > > > > and lyrics flow. Vam is correct in saying that it's not > > possible to > > > > > > > > > > > succeed in turning our emotions off and truly that was > > never my intent > > > > > > > > > > > but as a defense mechanism I have learned to stuff them. > > It proves to > > > > > > > > > > > be detrimental in some ways, particularly in writing. I > > have blocked > > > > > > > > > > > much of my muse in trying to minimize the drama. Truth is > > that life is > > > > > > > > > > > just that, a set in which we all play out our own dramas. > > I was once > > > > > > > > > > > told by a woman I dated that I love drama and created it. > > I perceived > > > > > > > > > > > it as her projecting her own tendencies on me ut she may > > have been > > > > > > > > > > > correct to some extent. I did alot of writing around that > > time! LOL! > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 28, 5:15 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > A number of creator types stay single or have > > arrangements that allow > > > > > > > > > > > > for a good deal of freedom but that does not guarantee > > inspiration in > > > > > > > > > > > > and of itself. Often, creativity feeds just as well on > > pressured > > > > > > > > > > > > enviornments and committments.//I doubt most children > > feel better off > > > > > > > > > > > > without both parents but the notion of family has > > changed greatly so > > > > > > > > > > > > perhaps they adapt better these days. And a wretched > > marriage is > > > > > > > > > > > > wretched for all plus what is lonlier than a bad > > marriage? Sometimes > > > > > > > > > > > > it seems strange that I took to motherhood > > considering...But > > > > > > > > > > > > motherhood has also changed, hasn't it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 27, 1:49 pm, vamadevananda < > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " I have turned my emotional switch to 0." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all do that. And can never succeed, because > > emotions are another > > > > > > > > > > > > > name of human experience. They are ours. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, some of us are better off without life partner > > relationships. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mostly, for the sake of the other. Rarely, for > > oneself ... for some > > > > > > > > > > > > > higher priority we must pursue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 27, 11:18 pm, DarkwaterBlight < > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Spiritual Crisis? Yes I believe you may be correct > > in your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > observation. I think I have developed a willful > > ignorance or lack of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > empathy when it comes to emotions. I have tried to > > share my feelings > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to no avail and have been left dissapointed and > > feeling broken. So in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an attenpt to heal I have turned my emotional > > switch to 0. I can see > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my own spiritual crisis and do not wish to have the > > responsibility of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > someone elses 'baggage' as rigsy03 has pointed out. > > After our > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seperation I tryed again to no avail and yet I > > still try to make that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > connection and keep hitting the same brick wall. I > > know the answer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lies within myself but I'm not sure if I want to > > know it. I guess I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like living in the dillusion that I am fine being > > alone in life. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know that is never true as we all have each other > > but I am refering to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a permanant mate and partner in life. It's too easy > > for me to give up > > ... > > read more »
