Traditional wisdom is pretty much even across the board in that the involutionary movement preceeded life's evolutionary movement. From spirit through soul, mind life (prana) and matter etc... So from this cross cultural view we derive that, the quantum potential is not spirit but spirit-as-prana. “When the Schroedinger wave function [in quantum physics] collapses [a movement from multiple potential states to a particular particle form], prana gives rise to matter. What the quantum mechanical formalisms are catching is a brief glimpse of – in a merely third-person, abstract, mathematical form – the staggering power of etheric-astral energy.”- http://wilber.shambhala.com/html/books/kosmos/excerptG/part1.cfm
On Aug 9, 12:23 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > The universe which emerged out of nothing is evolving and growing according > to laws , then those very laws have also come out of nothing , then > conscious beings have also come out of nothing---- that is to say if the > first cause is nothing then the end result , to all intents and purposes , > can be said to come out of nothing. It is that nothing which I call God > because see the whole universes which have come out of it and are evolving > and growing as if they had a mind of their own. It is this mind which I call > God. > > > > On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 7:56 AM, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > There are many forces within the universe but they don't have to be > > attributed to a design by super consciousness. On planet earth we > > have a force called gravity but in outer space there is not gravity, > > so essentially if you think that gravity is by nature a product of a > > deity then non-gravity would conversely be a product of non-deity. > > Because we are awed and mesmerized by many things in our world we have > > a tendency to view it all anthropologically and assign traits to these > > events based on that view. Thousands of years ago many different gods > > were responsible for the many different events occurring on earth and > > great effort was put forth to appease these gods with a myriad of > > offerings including human sacrifice; we haven't ventured too far from > > that behavior. Don't piss off the sun god or else we may have a bad > > drought. > > > On Aug 8, 9:40 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > > That the universe originated and is progressing shows that there is a > > force > > > which is making it happen , and as we conscious beings have evolved it > > shows > > > that that the force is living and not dead otherwise there would have > > been > > > oblivion everywhere , which is not the case. You may call this force by > > any > > > name , Nature , God ,Truth , Reality or Atma. Ultimately it was this > > force > > > which was there before the universe originated and it will be there when > > it > > > is disintegrated. So if we consider this force to be above us there is > > > nothing wrong in it. What is the state of being of this force I will not > > > conjecture. > > > > On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 12:56 PM, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Supreme peace is wonderful but you are posting on a great deal of > > > > assumption. What occurs in one life does not necessarily have to > > > > carry over into another life; assuming that there is an afterlife; no > > > > one knows for sure and no one has ever come back with any certainty or > > > > proof. If there is an afterlife then one may experience pain and > > > > suffering in one life and experience a life of luxury and grandeur in > > > > the next; a life filled with wealth and security. There are people > > > > who are living wonderful lives at the same time others are living > > > > horrible lives of suffering; why this is we cannot explain; it just > > > > is. Attaining a oneness with God is based on the assumption that > > > > there is a God which has been nothing more than theory and conjecture > > > > throughout the history of mankind. No God has ever appeared to > > > > establish existence and so the notion remains speculation and only > > > > exists in the minds of people who want to believe in it. I merely > > > > present the idea that afterlife is highly possible given the elements > > > > that contribute to the possibility. I wouldn't venture to guess what > > > > quality of life one would have during multiple experiences of > > > > existence. I prefer to think that I have lived before and will live > > > > again and have accumulated life experiences that contribute to my > > > > persona. Many people are born with extraordinary abilities while > > > > others are born with absolutely nothing aside from minimal brain > > > > capacity so I wonder how else can we explain that phenomena other than > > > > previous life experience. > > > > > On Aug 8, 9:37 am, RP <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Don't you think it is better to attain supreme peace than to have > > > > > alternating consciousness of sorrow and elation. Don't you think a > > > > > person suffering greatly from acute pain of an irreversible disease > > > > > should be given mercy killing? Is not one life of uncertainties > > > > > enough for us than to cherish innumerable lifes? Yogis of yore made > > > > > great efforts to escape the cycle of birth and death , desiring > > > > > Moksha. The ultimate object was to attain oneness with God , whatever > > > > > that state of being might be , I cannot say as I have never > > > > > experienced it. But whatever that might be , I would still like to > > > > > attain to it. > > > > > > On Aug 8, 6:03 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > I guess that is the case; all afterlife must be happening somewhere > > if > > > > > > not here. It all makes more sense to me in this day and age on > > > > > > account of cosmic knowledge, parallel universe and string theories. > > > > > > I'm more convinced now of afterlife than ever just based on the > > > > > > intensity of my lucid dreams. One could easily die in sleep and > > > > > > remain within an occurring dream while the rest of the world views > > the > > > > > > cadaver as simply being dead and gone. The dead dreamer no longer > > has > > > > > > the physical capacity to return to the presence of the viewers at > > the > > > > > > funeral and so either remains in the dream or drifts about for an > > > > > > opportunity to incarnate. > > > > > > > On Aug 7, 4:12 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > if you look at the thought as the origin of rebirth coming from > > the > > > > plant > > > > > > > life.. it would seem logical that that life would have to go some > > > > where,, > > > > > > > and considering the amount of natural hallucinogen out there,, a > > > > > > > hallucination could easily be called a ghost.. > > > > > > > all of which would contribute to the idea of rebirth.. > > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 3:46 PM, Slip Disc <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I love the Greek myths but I wouldn't discount the appearance > > of > > > > > > > > apparitions more commonly known as ghosts as pointing toward > > the > > > > idea > > > > > > > > of afterlife. Appearances may have been more common in > > primitive > > > > > > > > times but also emphasis should be placed on the importance of > > the > > > > > > > > dream realm and what it represented to the ancients. One may > > have > > > > > > > > dreamed of encounters with deceased relatives and then reported > > to > > > > > > > > others that they are living in some afterlife world. There > > wasn't > > > > any > > > > > > > > Freudian psycho analysis to explain otherwise at the time. > > > > > > > > > On Aug 5, 5:55 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Also a ritual- the Vikings set afire at sea, Inquisition and > > > > Salem > > > > > > > > > witch punishments, the Holocaust, Indian wives throwing > > > > themselves on > > > > > > > > > a bonfire when their husband dies, etc. But I was also > > thinking > > > > today > > > > > > > > > that the whole notion of of an afterlife might have started > > with > > > > > > > > > primitive and ancient plant societies when they noticed the > > > > return of > > > > > > > > > perennial plants. And certain plants and trees figure in the > > > > Greek > > > > > > > > > myths as well. > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 5, 12:27 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Personally I like the bonfire idea going up in flames on > > top > > > > of a > > > > > > > > mountain > > > > > > > > > > releasing the soul and returning the ashes to the creators > > > > earth.. > > > > > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 6:06 AM, rigsy03 <[email protected] > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Evelyn Waugh- "The Loved One" and "The American Way of > > > > > > > > Death"?-Jessica > > > > > > > > > > > Mitford? > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 4, 10:57 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > One idea was that paradise or an afterlife was invented > > > > because > > > > > > > > real > > > > > > > > > > > > life was hard and filled with suffering- this would > > appeal > > > > to the > > > > > > > > poor/ > > > > > > > > > > > > ignorant in the case of early Christians. As for > > pharohs > > > > and other > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient rulers who were buried with life possessions > > and > > > > living > > > > > > > > > > > > servants- briefly- they were assumed to deserve > > > > immortality. Some > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > a great fear of burial/suffocation so elaborate caskets > > and > > > > > > > > masoleums > > > > > > > > > > > > tried to sooth fears. There are glass covered coffins > > and > > > > some > > > > > > > > world > > > > > > > > > > > > leaders have used them to display their remains. Copper > > > > vaults are > > > > > > > > > > > > added protection for caskets.//Which brings up the > > relics > > > > of > > > > > > > > saints. > > > > > > > > > > > > Shouldn't their bodies remain intact? What happens to > > the > > > > dead who > > > > > > > > > > > > have few body parts or those buried at sea? Are mummies > > > > > > > > rejects?//Read > > > > > > > > > > > > a satire on the whole business many years ago- about > > > > American > > > > > > > > funerals > > > > > > > > > > > > and graveyards- maybe from the '60's.//What about the > > > > sacrament of > > > > > > > > > > > > Extreme Unction where all your sins are forgiven just > > > > before death? > > > > > > > > > > > > Timing is everything! > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 4, 1:21 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RP No disrespect for any belief system, I > > personally > > > > can not > > > > > > > > help but > > > > > > > > > > > > > wonder what the original idea or concept was and what > > > > people > > > > > > > > added to > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > original thought because it sounded good and/or > > of > > > > the > > > > > > > > desire to > > > > > > > > > > > appear > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
