The Truth , Reality , God , or Atma need not be conscious as we infer from the term. He may be unconscious as the unconscious even of beings is far greater than the conscious as most of our motives are hidden in the unconscious. What we think are our motives are actually not so but rationalised by the mind, the real motives are in the unconscious of which we are not aware.The life had to emerge somewhere and it emerged from unconscious Nature. That the real force is unconscious doesn't make it dead because from it the whole conscious individuals have come to be.In my opinion it is this unconscious or we may call it , Pure conscious , that is God and is non-dual as in it's state there is only one and no other.
On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 1:58 PM, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > The nothing of which you speak is actually a composite of positive and > negative energies that balance each other out thereby rendering the > universe as having zero energy which can be presented as being nothing > when in all actuality it consists of positive and negative elements. > The progression cycle or the ramification of the initial energy is > simply a natural occurrence. The ultimate problem is establishing the > origination of initial energy particulates that have expanded into > what we know and understand today. The nothing may have emerged from > another space and time vacuum which essentially means that it wasn't > nothing to begin with. To venture off into the vast wastelands of > nothingness and furthermore to attach a consciousness to any beginning > is illusory. In 1927 Werner Heisenberg established the Uncertainty > Principle which shows the degree of inaccuracy with simultaneous > determination of position and velocity of particles. Quantum > theorists have basically focused on the spontaneous birth and death of > particles, positive and negative, continuously canceling each other > out and termed quantum fluctuations. These fluctuations may have been > occurring prior to the existence of our universe but somehow some part > or segment of them may have survived and changed in nature allowing > for expansion out of what seemed to be nothing, gave way to structure > and complexity and eventually led to the beginnings of life without > the intent or direction of a consciousness. This is all quite sketchy > and still within the realm of speculation and hypothesis but > nonetheless it has a great deal more validity pointing to our > beginnings than the notion of a super consciousness snapping a finger > and creating all this. > > On Aug 9, 11:23 am, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > The universe which emerged out of nothing is evolving and growing > according > > to laws , then those very laws have also come out of nothing , then > > conscious beings have also come out of nothing---- that is to say if the > > first cause is nothing then the end result , to all intents and purposes > , > > can be said to come out of nothing. It is that nothing which I call God > > because see the whole universes which have come out of it and are > evolving > > and growing as if they had a mind of their own. It is this mind which I > call > > God. > > > > On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 7:56 AM, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > There are many forces within the universe but they don't have to be > > > attributed to a design by super consciousness. On planet earth we > > > have a force called gravity but in outer space there is not gravity, > > > so essentially if you think that gravity is by nature a product of a > > > deity then non-gravity would conversely be a product of non-deity. > > > Because we are awed and mesmerized by many things in our world we have > > > a tendency to view it all anthropologically and assign traits to these > > > events based on that view. Thousands of years ago many different gods > > > were responsible for the many different events occurring on earth and > > > great effort was put forth to appease these gods with a myriad of > > > offerings including human sacrifice; we haven't ventured too far from > > > that behavior. Don't piss off the sun god or else we may have a bad > > > drought. > > > > > On Aug 8, 9:40 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > That the universe originated and is progressing shows that there is a > > > force > > > > which is making it happen , and as we conscious beings have evolved > it > > > shows > > > > that that the force is living and not dead otherwise there would have > > > been > > > > oblivion everywhere , which is not the case. You may call this force > by > > > any > > > > name , Nature , God ,Truth , Reality or Atma. Ultimately it was this > > > force > > > > which was there before the universe originated and it will be there > when > > > it > > > > is disintegrated. So if we consider this force to be above us there > is > > > > nothing wrong in it. What is the state of being of this force I will > not > > > > conjecture. > > > > > > On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 12:56 PM, Slip Disc <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > Supreme peace is wonderful but you are posting on a great deal of > > > > > assumption. What occurs in one life does not necessarily have to > > > > > carry over into another life; assuming that there is an afterlife; > no > > > > > one knows for sure and no one has ever come back with any certainty > or > > > > > proof. If there is an afterlife then one may experience pain and > > > > > suffering in one life and experience a life of luxury and grandeur > in > > > > > the next; a life filled with wealth and security. There are people > > > > > who are living wonderful lives at the same time others are living > > > > > horrible lives of suffering; why this is we cannot explain; it just > > > > > is. Attaining a oneness with God is based on the assumption that > > > > > there is a God which has been nothing more than theory and > conjecture > > > > > throughout the history of mankind. No God has ever appeared to > > > > > establish existence and so the notion remains speculation and only > > > > > exists in the minds of people who want to believe in it. I merely > > > > > present the idea that afterlife is highly possible given the > elements > > > > > that contribute to the possibility. I wouldn't venture to guess > what > > > > > quality of life one would have during multiple experiences of > > > > > existence. I prefer to think that I have lived before and will > live > > > > > again and have accumulated life experiences that contribute to my > > > > > persona. Many people are born with extraordinary abilities while > > > > > others are born with absolutely nothing aside from minimal brain > > > > > capacity so I wonder how else can we explain that phenomena other > than > > > > > previous life experience. > > > > > > > On Aug 8, 9:37 am, RP <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Don't you think it is better to attain supreme peace than to > have > > > > > > alternating consciousness of sorrow and elation. Don't you think > a > > > > > > person suffering greatly from acute pain of an irreversible > disease > > > > > > should be given mercy killing? Is not one life of uncertainties > > > > > > enough for us than to cherish innumerable lifes? Yogis of yore > made > > > > > > great efforts to escape the cycle of birth and death , desiring > > > > > > Moksha. The ultimate object was to attain oneness with God , > whatever > > > > > > that state of being might be , I cannot say as I have never > > > > > > experienced it. But whatever that might be , I would still like > to > > > > > > attain to it. > > > > > > > > On Aug 8, 6:03 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I guess that is the case; all afterlife must be happening > somewhere > > > if > > > > > > > not here. It all makes more sense to me in this day and age on > > > > > > > account of cosmic knowledge, parallel universe and string > theories. > > > > > > > I'm more convinced now of afterlife than ever just based on the > > > > > > > intensity of my lucid dreams. One could easily die in sleep > and > > > > > > > remain within an occurring dream while the rest of the world > views > > > the > > > > > > > cadaver as simply being dead and gone. The dead dreamer no > longer > > > has > > > > > > > the physical capacity to return to the presence of the viewers > at > > > the > > > > > > > funeral and so either remains in the dream or drifts about for > an > > > > > > > opportunity to incarnate. > > > > > > > > > On Aug 7, 4:12 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > if you look at the thought as the origin of rebirth coming > from > > > the > > > > > plant > > > > > > > > life.. it would seem logical that that life would have to go > some > > > > > where,, > > > > > > > > and considering the amount of natural hallucinogen out > there,, a > > > > > > > > hallucination could easily be called a ghost.. > > > > > > > > all of which would contribute to the idea of rebirth.. > > > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 3:46 PM, Slip Disc <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > I love the Greek myths but I wouldn't discount the > appearance > > > of > > > > > > > > > apparitions more commonly known as ghosts as pointing > toward > > > the > > > > > idea > > > > > > > > > of afterlife. Appearances may have been more common in > > > primitive > > > > > > > > > times but also emphasis should be placed on the importance > of > > > the > > > > > > > > > dream realm and what it represented to the ancients. One > may > > > have > > > > > > > > > dreamed of encounters with deceased relatives and then > reported > > > to > > > > > > > > > others that they are living in some afterlife world. There > > > wasn't > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > Freudian psycho analysis to explain otherwise at the time. > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 5, 5:55 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Also a ritual- the Vikings set afire at sea, Inquisition > and > > > > > Salem > > > > > > > > > > witch punishments, the Holocaust, Indian wives throwing > > > > > themselves on > > > > > > > > > > a bonfire when their husband dies, etc. But I was also > > > thinking > > > > > today > > > > > > > > > > that the whole notion of of an afterlife might have > started > > > with > > > > > > > > > > primitive and ancient plant societies when they noticed > the > > > > > return of > > > > > > > > > > perennial plants. And certain plants and trees figure in > the > > > > > Greek > > > > > > > > > > myths as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 5, 12:27 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Personally I like the bonfire idea going up in flames > on > > > top > > > > > of a > > > > > > > > > mountain > > > > > > > > > > > releasing the soul and returning the ashes to the > creators > > > > > earth.. > > > > > > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 6:06 AM, rigsy03 < > [email protected] > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Evelyn Waugh- "The Loved One" and "The American Way > of > > > > > > > > > Death"?-Jessica > > > > > > > > > > > > Mitford? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 4, 10:57 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > One idea was that paradise or an afterlife was > invented > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > real > > > > > > > > > > > > > life was hard and filled with suffering- this would > > > appeal > > > > > to the > > > > > > > > > poor/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignorant in the case of early Christians. As for > > > pharohs > > > > > and other > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient rulers who were buried with life > possessions > > > and > > > > > living > > > > > > > > > > > > > servants- briefly- they were assumed to deserve > > > > > immortality. Some > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > a great fear of burial/suffocation so elaborate > caskets > > > and > > > > > > > > > masoleums > > > > > > > > > > > > > tried to sooth fears. There are glass covered > coffins > > > and > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > world > > > > > > > > > > > > > leaders have used them to display their remains. > Copper > > > > > vaults are > > > > > > > > > > > > > added protection for caskets.//Which brings up the > > > relics > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > saints. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shouldn't their bodies remain intact? What happens > to > > > the > > > > > dead who > > > > > > > > > > > > > have few body parts or those buried at sea? Are > mummies > > > > > > > > > rejects?//Read > > > > > > > > > > > > > a satire on the whole business many years ago- > about > > > > > American > > > > > > > > > funerals > > > > > > > > > > > > > and graveyards- maybe from the '60's.//What about > the > > > > > sacrament of > > > > > > > > > > > > > Extreme Unction where all your sins are forgiven > just > > > > > before death? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Timing is everything! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 4, 1:21 am, iam deheretic < > [email protected]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RP No disrespect for any belief system, I > > > personally > > > > > can not > > > > > > > > > help but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wonder what the original idea or concept was and > what > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > added to > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > original thought because it sounded good > and/or > > > of > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > desire to > > > > > > > > > > > > appear > > > > ... > > > > read more ยป
