" ... oddly enough atheism is an extreme form of beliefs. Does this too draw your ire? "
I disagree. Atheism is only the lack of belief in deity. It is not extreme or presumptuous at all. " ... I need to understand your meaning for "Will" " Will is a consequence of emotion filled mind. Perhaps you missed it the first time ! On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 3:46 PM, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > I think a good place to start is what 'Will' is to you ('' ,) if for > nothing else so that can see where you are coming from,, oddly enough > atheism is an extreme form of beliefs. Does this too draw your ire? > > I for one enjoy listen to or rather reading (when I am really lazy I do > turn on the reader,,) about other peoples view of GOD.. I know that I enjoy > sharing it. as for being presumptuous I can not possible know the totality > of a being that in a moment of enlightenment created the entirety of the > universe from within. Pretty awesome enlightenment if you ask me. > > Nor can I diminish those that study and understand parts of this being.. > > Now for these simple reasons I need to understand your meaning for "Will" > Allan > > On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 9:06 AM, ashok tewari <[email protected]>wrote: > >> RP, when people speak for God, on behalf of God, as to what He is and what >> He is not, what He has and what He has not, it only draws my smile ! And >> sometimes, with extreme forms of the same presumptuousness, it draws my ire. >> >> >> A better place to start might be to consider : God has NO will, as in what >> will means to you and Pat. >> >> Will is a consequence of emotion filled mind. Is that how you see God to >> be ? >> >> >> On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 9:37 AM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Vam , we are not parts of God but only his emanations. His will is not >>> made up of our wills , His will is not a composite of all , rather it is the >>> only will and our wills are just illusions. But as far as this changing >>> world is concerned we are free in ourselves and to others. That is why feel >>> remorse etc. for our actions and anger at other people's acts. That is why >>> everybody is accountable , no one can excuse his actions on the pretext that >>> he is bound. Again it is our nature which is binding us from inside and from >>> outside also it is nature in the form of the environment , which of course >>> include all beings , that binds us. >>> >>> On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 9:54 AM, ashok tewari <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> " ... if people can act freely and, in essence, act against His Will." >>>> >>>> Why does does it necessarily have to be AGAINST His will ? >>>> >>>> It might be a limitation of the human mind to conceive, but a man can >>>> act all he can out of his free will but NOTHING will ever be against His >>>> will i.e. His will includes ALL, the seeming for and the against too ! >>>> >>>> On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 6:52 PM, Pat <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 13 Aug, 14:13, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> > And I would of course deny all of this, yet if I do Pat would have it >>>>> > that in fact I deny nowt and that God within is doing the denying, >>>>> > however I can see contradiction here. >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> Just name the contradictions, then. You've nailed my response and my >>>>> reasons for it. Is it just that you find it distasteful and demand >>>>> that you have SOME power even in the face of Omnipotence? I find >>>>> contradictions between 'free will' and Omnipotence. That is, God >>>>> CAN'T be Omnipotent, if people can act freely and, in essence, act >>>>> against His Will. If you can argue for Omnipotence and Free Will >>>>> without dancing around that conundrum, I'm all ears. Otherwise, you >>>>> end up having your free will but, in having it, you no longer have a >>>>> God that is omnipotent and, therefore, not worthy of worship. Whilst >>>>> I maintain an Omnipotent being and only have to submit to that which >>>>> MUST have complete power anyway. And I can find NO contradictions in >>>>> that. But, I'm all ears with respect to hearing an argument for both >>>>> having an omnipotent God and people retaining free will. That is, >>>>> I'll listen, but I've already outed the inherent contradiction in >>>>> that, but I'm willing to listen to arguments that MAY discover a way >>>>> around it. Lead on, MacDuff.... ;-) >>>>> >>>>> > On 13 Aug, 14:02, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > > It's just as likely that you are controlled by your parents and >>>>> > > thereafter the State. >>>>> > >>>>> > > On Aug 12, 11:47 pm, RP <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > > > I am this organism and was born, will live and die. Whatever I >>>>> think , >>>>> > > > feel and do is controlled by Nature , within me , and outside me. >>>>> I >>>>> > > > feel free because I am part of that Nature.- Hide quoted text - >>>>> > >>>>> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >>>>> > >>>>> > - Show quoted text - >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> ASHOK TEWARI >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> ASHOK TEWARI >> > > > > -- > ( > ) > I_D Allan > > Be Paranoid. > God is always building a better idiot!!! > -- ASHOK TEWARI
