I cannot perceive the distant parts of the universe and I can't even
imagine what they are , but someone out there sees them and doesn't see me.
Does that mean that there are many  perceptions and many negations ., does
it mean you see and I do not see? And I see and you do not see? Vam , you
are being ridiculous and I am speaking for the idea and not for you. By
everything is meant everything , all the elements which have a rudimentary
type of consciousness they also are not.The entire universes are alive in
the sense that there is vibration everywhere and by nothing is meant total
absence of vibration meaning nothing , just the abstract intelligence and
existence.

On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 3:46 AM, ashok tewari <[email protected]> wrote:

> " When we say that the universe came out of nothing we mean the negation
> of everything."
>
> Correction : Everything ... limited to what YOU perceive, experience,
> imagine or know, or can in future.
>
> That would still leave much else ... all that you do not or cannot feel,
> think, imagine or know. Why is it so difficult to accept this truism ?
>
> Search yourself. How can YOU negate what you do not perceive, experience,
> feel, think of, imagine or know ?
>
> On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 11:36 AM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> When we say that the universe came out of nothing we mean the negation of
>> everything. And what is the intelligence which is nothing or the negation of
>> everything , it is existence. You cannot call existence to exist because it
>> is the basis of that which exist. You read the ancient upanisads and maybe
>> you will have the groundwork that goes into understanding God , Reality ,
>> Truth or Atman. I prefer Atman before Brahman because I don't believe in
>> individual souls. To me we are  all just ahamkaras or egos and have just
>> this lifetime and it is Atman who is in everything animate and inanimate and
>> it is existence and intelligence itself.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 10:27 PM, facilitator <[email protected]>wrote:
>>
>>> I am back for a bit.  Just thought I would give everyone a heads up.
>>> Something I have allowed to bolster my understanding of the human
>>> condition.....People are messed up.
>>>
>>> "Philosophy is good for nothing, that's good, since nothing doesn't
>>> exist".
>>>  (Murray)
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> ASHOK TEWARI
>

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