On Nov 26, 6:52 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > Translations are a time a dozen every one is trying to express their own > point of view. > Allan >
Exactly, which is why, after reading 4 different translations of the Qur'an, I realised I needed to learn Arabic, to avoid the translator's mistakes and/or agendas. The very same reason I learned Hebrew nd Greek, to do justice to the Old and New Testaments. The translations are, in many cases, so skewed as to be, in some places, stating the exact opposite of what the original intended. NEVER count on translations...NEVER!! > > > On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 6:26 PM, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On Nov 26, 4:05 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Of course I am reading a translation, It is people reading thing into > > words > > > are not really there. When you are looking into spirituality you are > > looking > > > for clarity not confusion. It seems to me people read into what is > > written > > > just what they want to hear. My self I prefer to read what is said not > > what > > > people want it to say. > > > So far I have seen little of Isaiah but maybe I am reading the wrong > > > section. > > > And, of course, you need the Hebrew. I have a very good Hebrew/ > > English breakdown and study of Isaiah at home. It breaks it down into > > two volumes of around 800 pages each. Lots of commentary, which gives > > multiple interpretations. Funnily enough, though, as it's a Jewish > > study guide, does it try to match any Christian or Islamic > > interpretations...except for where it refutes them. Which, in my > > book, is another way of mentioning them just refraining from accepting > > them as valid. But it certainly gives a very wide view of the book. > > Isaiah was one of the prophets directly mentioned in the Qur'an, so I > > reckon there must have been a reason for giving him credence and, as > > Isa 29:12 matches perfectly with the beginning of the revelation of > > the Qur'an, it's no small wonder. The two give credence to one > > another. And, of course, the tone of God speaking through Isaiah > > matches the tone of God speaking through Gabriel to the Prophet > > Muhammed (pbuh) perfectly. Same patterns of speech exactly. But the > > two could NOT have been written by the same human author; but, there's > > every reason to assume the God was the same. At least that's the > > 'party line'. ;-) > > > Have a good weekend!!! > > > > Allan > > > > On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 1:16 PM, Pat <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > On Nov 25, 6:03 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Pat I have not finished reading quran, I see to much that was not > > > > written > > > > > by God or Allah but the direct influence of man.. > > > > > But believe what you want to believe.. > > > > > Allan > > > > > I assume, then, that you're reading a translation. The whole poetic > > > > aspect of it along with double/triple entendres get completely lost. > > > > But, of course, that doesn't detract from my statement that the very > > > > beginning of the revelation OF the Qur'an matches that prophecy in > > > > Isaiah word-for-word. > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 4:10 PM, Pat <[email protected] > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > On Nov 16, 9:24 pm, pathfinder <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Just like in the days of Noah, shall the days be when the Son of > > Man > > > > > > > is revealed. Noah's message was strange and inconceivable. Jesus > > > > spoke > > > > > > > of this in Luke 17:26> "And as it was in the days of No'e, so > > shall > > > > it > > > > > > > be also in the days of the Son of man." The warning is also in > > the > > > > > > > numbers: 8 souls saved. > > > > > > > Isaiah 29:10> "For the Lord hath poured out upon you the spirit > > of > > > > > > > deep sleep, and hath closed your eyes: the prophets and your > > rulers, > > > > > > > the seers hath he covered. > (11)- And the visioin of all has is > > > > > > > become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men > > > > > > > deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: > > and > > > > he > > > > > > > saith, I cannot: for it is sealed:> (12)- And the book is > > delivered > > > > to > > > > > > > him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he > > > > saith, > > > > > > > I am not learned.> > > > > > > > Just as an aside, this Isaiah 29:12 is exactly what happened to the > > > > > > Prophet Muhammed (pbuh). The first word that was revealed to him > > was > > > > > > "Read!" and his response was "I am not learned". This prophecy was > > > > > > fulfilled word for word and resulted in the Qur'an. > > > > > > > (13)- Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this > > > > > > > people draw near me with their mouth, and their lips do honour > > me, > > > > but > > > > > > > have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is > > > > > > > taught by the precept of men:> (14)- Therefore, behold, I will > > proced > > > > > > > to do a marvelous work among this people, even a marvelous work > > and a > > > > > > > wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the > > > > > > > understanding of their prudent men shall be > > > > > > > hid." > > > > > > > Now tell me, If the leaders and the prophets have been blinded by > > > > God, > > > > > > > how could one logically expect God to be there passing out sights > > and > > > > > > > visions? God speaks for himself. We just have to learn to listen > > and > > > > > > > apply. > > > > > > > On Nov 16, 8:50 am, frantheman <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Let us all be damned! If reading this kind of rubbish is > > > > conditional > > > > > > > > to being saved, then I don't want to be ... > > > > > > > > > Francis > > > > > > > > > On 16 Nov., 17:37, "[email protected]" < > > > > [email protected]> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Spam spam I call spam! > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 16, 4:23 pm, edward mason <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > > > > > > > > > From: <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > Date: Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 2:12 AM > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Testimony of Jesus Christ[2]--word document.doc > > > > > > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > I've shared Testimony of Jesus Christ[2]--word > > > > > > > > > > document.doc< > > >https://docs.google.com/document/d/1epTOPsmbeL_wmUUDCeJdwQaM4totpYZjG.. > > > > .> > > > > > > > > > > Click to open: > > > > > > > > > > > - Testimony of Jesus Christ[2]--word > > > > > > > > > > document.doc< > > >https://docs.google.com/document/d/1epTOPsmbeL_wmUUDCeJdwQaM4totpYZjG.. > > > > .> > > > > > > > > > > > LAST DAY PROPHECIES THAT FIT THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF THE > > PRESENT > > > > DAY > > > > > > > > > > > “THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS THE SWORD” > > > > > > > > > > > Revelation 12:17 “And the dragon was wroth with the > > woman, > > > > and > > > > > > went to > > > > > > > > > > make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the > > > > commandments > > > > > > of God, > > > > > > > > > > and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.” > > > > > > > > > > > Revelation 19:10 “And I fell at his feet to worship him. > > And he > > > > > > said unto > > > > > > > > > > me,’ see thou do it not: I am thy fellow servant, and of > > thy > > > > > > brothren > > > > > > > > > > that have > > > > > > > > > > the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of > > Jesus > > > > is > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > spirit of Prophecy.” > > > > > > > > > > > So then, it should be noteworthy that there are > > differences > > > > > > between the > > > > > > > > > > ‘Testimony of Jesus the Christ’, and the testimony of > > another > > > > that > > > > > > ‘Jesus is > > > > > > > > > > the Christ’. For there are words in some of Jesus’ sayings > > that > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > indicate that there will be those in the last days, though > > > > being > > > > > > able to > > > > > > > > > > testify that Jesus is the Christ, will be shut out of the > > > > kingdom > > > > > > of Heaven. > > > > > > > > > > > Luke 13:26 “Then shall ye begin to say, ‘We have eaten and > > > > drunk in > > > > > > thy > > > > > > > > > > presence, and thou hast taught in our streets’.” > > > > > > > > > > > Luke 13:27 “ But he shall say, ’I tell you, I know not > > whence > > > > ye > > > > > > are; depart > > > > > > > > > > from me, all ye workers of iniquity’. “ > > > > > > > > > > > Luke 6:46 “ And why call ye me, Lord, and do not the > > things > > > > which > > > > > > I say?” > > > > > > > > > > > A testimony is the witnessing one gives from his > > collection > > > > of > > > > > > evidence > > > > > > > > > > and experiences. What man testify to is one thing: that > > Jesus > > > > is > > > > > > the Supreme > > > > > > > > > > Sacrifice, the Savior, the Prince of Peace, and the > > Repairer of > > > > the > > > > > > Breach, > > > > > > > > > > is one thing; But what Jesus testify to leads to the > > Salvation > > > > of > > > > > > the Soul, > > > > > > > > > > the Way to God, Eternal Light and Life. As unfortunate as > > it > > > > may > > > > > > appear at > > > > > > > > > > first, upon hearing Jesus’ testimony for the very first > > time, > > > > it > > > > > > would be > > > > > > > > > > wise to bear in mind that the whole is God’s plan for > > > > Salvation. We > > > > > > have all > > > > > > > > > > transgressed the Laws of God, and the wages of sin is > > death. > > > > > > Wherefore, to > > > > > > > > > > be placed under a period of judgment, with an opportunity > > to > > > > > > repent, have a > > > > > > > > > > change of heart, and then be removed from judgment to > > Eternal > > > > Life, > > > > > > is truly > > > > > > > > > > the Mercy and Righteousness of God. While to remain > > ignorant in > > > > the > > > > > > face of > > > > > > > > > > Truth and Word of God makes us guilty in the Blood- shed of > > all > > > > the > > > > > > Holy > > > > > > > > > > People. > > > > > > > > > > > But then, that’s my testimony. And who am I, but a > > sinner, > > > > and > > > > > > another who > > > > > > > > > > have fallen short of the Glory of God? Yet in my search, I > > > > knocked, > > > > > > and some > > > > > > > > > > doors opened up. Now I have the duty to testify; to try to > > show > > > > > > some things > > > > > > > > > > that I’ve seen behind some of those doors: to describe the > > > > Light I > > > > > > saw at > > > > > > > > > > the end of that long, narrow tunnel. I must share what I > > hear > > > > and > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > understandings of my heart. I bring > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
