We have skipped over two obvious examples- ptsd and post-partum- that are diagnosed as depression so I began wondering if the body doesn't enable a cocoon or buffered state as a response to shock. Also, wondered if the cultural expectations for cheerfulness, etc. isn't ridiculous and fakey. Also, medical professionals depend on chronic diseases for income along with drug companies. What lawyer doesn't love a screw-up? Religion, sinners? Are artists tortured to be successful or sucessful because they are tortured? But, I agree that the human condition in extremes is not a trivial matter, ornamentalmind. Nice to read you again, by the way!
On Jan 16, 5:52 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > RP…as rigsy suggests, things like hormones can enter into the notion > of depression. Further, even here what we, (as human beings), believe > depression is is but memes in most if not all cases. For some, it is > karma. For others, it is but a necessary reaction to specific life > experiences. Refined, for yet others, it is seen as but a level of > consciousness itself and a necessary one to experience/know in order > to move up the scale to more and more transcendent ones… sort of a > state of the renunciation of beliefs. > > Sociologically, while the notion of being ‘over-sensitive’ may appear > to be rational (even though being “weak and negative isn’t”), saying > that a depressive needs medication is not only provincial, it is based > upon beliefs not yet discussed let alone confirmed. Is ‘self > medication’ such as alcoholism to be accepted as a valid treatment? > What about the use of entheogenes? > > Therapy is quite similar. Which witch doctor is the ‘right’ one to > seek out?...if you get my drift. > > Taking the stance that “Suicide is no solution , but just an escape > from difficulties and if a person just perseveres a little he might > surmount his problems. “ is about as judgmental as one can get…might > as well say they are possessed by demons that need to be exorcised! > And, even though the qualifier “might” was used, the notion that (as > one Western colloquialism says) one can pull themselves up by their > own boot-straps, what has been imposed is a philosophical imperative > of self reliance that is founded mostly in unexamined beliefs. > > I wonder if most great artists would have been recognized let alone > tolerated if we all thought that “overreacts to trivial > transgressions” was/is a universal standard when it comes to such > things. I’d miss greats like Poe, Beethoven and Van Gogh to name a > few. > > In some Western circles, it is at least recognized that a large > percentage of us all experience depression at one time or another in > our lives… including thoughts of suicide. Of course, there are other > circles and cultures…and I’ve intentionally left out the current > ‘religion” of genetics! > > To be clear, I don’t mean to trivialize depression nor suicide. If > anything, I’m suggesting it is much much more than most currently > believe it is. > > On Jan 13, 6:07 am, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > " Depression " as a psychiatric term denotes a condition in which the > > sufferer overreacts to stimulli. The feeling of sorrow and pain is too > > much as to the degree of the circumstances causing it. Little slights > > are blown all out of proportion and the individual becomes extremely > > sensitive and overreacts to trivial transgressions. That which people > > usually just shrug off are clutched to the bosoms by the depressives > > and a person feels extreme pain where he shouldn't. > > You are right Francis when you speak of neurological and psychological > > aspects of depression but the truth is that all moods and > > thought-processes have a neurological basis and behavioural diseases > > are also treated with medication. > > My point is that if a person sees the real causes of his feeling , > > with the help of medicines and therapy if necessary , he will realize > > that he is being over-sensitive and thus bring himself to terms with > > his malady and regain his equilibrium. He will then go about his life > > calmly as the cause of his depression was trivial. Again there are > > people who are living horrible lives and do not even dream of suicide. > > Suicide is no solution , but just an escape from difficulties and if a > > person just perseveres a little he might surmount his problems. > > > On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 8:36 PM, frantheman <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > On 12 Jan., 15:33, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Depressions are usually temporary and if a person > > >> is patient most of the time it blows over and a man starts enjoying > > >> life. ... it is the weak and negative people who > > >> commit suicide. They are not really suffering much , rather they have > > >> just > > >> become negative and see everything in a morbid manner. > > > > You obviously know little of the suffering of depression, RP. Even on > > > the neuro-physiological level, the imbalance of various neuro- > > > transmitters in the synaptic gap between neurons - and particularly > > > problems with regard to serotonin uptake - has been well observed and > > > documented - it is the basis for the newer generations of > > > pharmaceutical anti-depressants which have helped many (if not all) > > > sufferers. > > > > I have personal experience of depression; it is now many years past, > > > successfully treated with a mixture of medication and therapy. I > > > wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. I have had a number of friends who > > > have ended their lives as a result of depression. I think of one, one > > > of the strongest, sensitive and most loving persons I have known, in > > > particular. He fought and suffered for years and powerlessly observed > > > his life slowly but but inevitably disintegrating around him as a > > > result. Shortly before he finally took his life he confided to a > > > friend his fear that the suffering the enduring hopelessness he was > > > experiencing was driving him mad. > > > > To state that "they are not really suffering much" is to show a > > > profound lack of understanding, empathy and compassion. > > > > Francis- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
