Death is certain , so why hurry it? You are going to die any way so why not give yourself a chance ? Depressions are usually temporary and if a person is patient most of the time it blows over and a man starts enjoying life. In depression the assessment of the sufferer becomes negative , everything looks black to him. It is not so , if the person tries to calm himself , he sees the better side of life. Most of the time people who are living really horrible life do not commit suicide , it is the weak and negative people who commit suicide. They are not really suffering much , rather they have just become negative and see everything in a morbid manner. As for shame , a soldier who dies in a war leaves his family sad but proud and the father who just goes and shoots himself leaves a family destitute and broken.
On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 8:50 PM, [email protected] < [email protected]> wrote: > Shame is sooooooo subjective my freind that I simply cannot belive > that all sucides are shamfull deaths, and why would any human feel > shame on themselfs for the sucicide of somebody dear to them? or put > another why, I have read your claim and now I ask why it is so? > > Why does the family of the man who commits sucide suffer an indignaty? > > Why should the same man instead suffer more so to eleviate the shame, > suffering and indignaty of his family(these are your words, I really > have not the first idea why these people would feel any of this)? > > As I have already asked you, why would you ask others to suffer so > that by doing so they cause > suffering in others to cease? Are you asking those who wish for 'no > more' to prolong their agnony for some imagined shame, or suffering or > indignaty that their families may or may not feel? > > Life is not sancrosanct, do you belive it is? > > Some depression is indeed temporary, others suffer for the whole of > their lives, one rule then simply does not in this context surfice for > all. > > Yes death is inevitable, but do you not agree that a rational human > has every right to say when their life ends? > > Are you concerns then simply about the mannor of death? A natural > death of old age or even a painfull death from illness is preferable > to takeing your own life? What is then about differant modes of death > that may bring shame, indignaty and suffering to family members, or > may not? > > Hope is divine. Everything is divine my freind. And you actualy tell > us a massive whooper here > when you say: > > 'Hope is divine and one should not ever give up because most of the > time things change for the better' > > The reality is that for the vast majority of us and the vast majority > of times, we do noty get things the way we want them, or things do no > change for the better most of the time. > > Life i a funny old thing, sometimes you get to live it exactly how you > wish, mostly though you bear the bad times and when the good times > come you enjoy them. > > On Jan 10, 5:26 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > When someone commits suicide it is not a simple death , rather it is a > > shameful one for the family and often it leads to sorrow and trouble for > the > > loved ones. The person who has died has escaped the frustrations of life > but > > he has left a life of indignity and sorrow for his children , if had > borne > > with his suffering a bit more he would have got over his troubles and > saved > > his family from much indignity and frustration. Most of the times a > person > > commits suicide in a mood of desperation which if had borne a bit he > would > > have got over it and would have gone about his life in a much better > frame > > of mind.Depression is temporary and runs it course , after which the > > sufferer goes about his work in a better frame of mind. Again death is > > inevitable and no matter how much you are suffering it will end one day , > so > > why not keep hope and give yourself another chance for whether you are > like > > it or not death will knock at your door sooner or later , so why prepone > > death. Hope is divine and one should not ever give up because most of the > > time things change for the better , and as you will die anyway there is > no > > harm in being hopeful for the remaining period of your life. > > > > On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 5:57 PM, [email protected] < > > > > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > Sorry I have to call tosh on this one. People die and when they do > > > those left behind DO get over their deaths. Why would a loved ones > > > death be pain 100 times over? Death is inevitable depression is a > > > living death for some. Pain 100 times over? Not even close. > > > > > On Jan 9, 9:39 pm, Manfraco Frank Elder <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Hi everybody! > > > > I have to say that I have heard many time that one wishes to end it > > > > all, so, suicide is on some people minds when they do not see a way > > > > out from their sorrows and pains. At the same time I have to say that > > > > you are right RP when you say that pain will be increased a hundred > > > > times to the people surrounding those who commit suicide, but what > > > > could those same people have done to prevent that suicide? I think > > > > that is the question that we have to ask ourselves, when we find > > > > ourselves in such a situation? > > > > My regards to you all, > > > > Manfraco > > > > > > On Jan 9, 9:53 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > I tend to agree with the insurmountable suffering, but even there I > am > > > not > > > > > sure. I do know that in long duration fasting the hunger only last > for > > > a > > > > > few days especially if you find something to occupy your time. I do > > > know > > > > > that taking advantage of the situations one is in and open up to > the > > > > > experience can lead into some pretty amazing situations. That has > > > occurred > > > > > in the past for me, 'What works I am not about to fix.' > > > > > > > Now the teenage in depression,, well that comes between him and the > > > > > Creator,but I tend to think that the emotional turmoil they are > going > > > > > through will then continue through all eternity and their death > will be > > > > > added to it. > > > > > But what do I know.. just the reasons I don't like the idea for > myself. > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 9:42 PM, Ash <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > On 1/8/2011 9:28 AM, RP Singh wrote: > > > > > > > >> When a man is under depression he tries to escape pain by > committing > > > > > >> suicide , but does he really escape pain? No he increases it > > > hundredfold. > > > > > >> The pain and sorrow that his family and friends feel at his > demise > > > is > > > > > >> actually a pain that is experienced by that individual. Escapism > is > > > no > > > > > >> remedy , the only way is to struggle and bear through all > hardships. > > > To > > > > > >> fight throughout is the only way and as death will eventually > come, > > > why > > > > > >> prepone it. > > > > > > > > And there are worse things than death. There are many ways > however to > > > > > > minimize on the effects to others, such as drinking a bottle of > rum > > > and > > > > > > passing out while out camping or hunting in extreme cold. Making > it > > > look > > > > > > accidental however deprives others from the truth of why, and > there > > > is > > > > > > always the element of wasted potential to reconcile. I agree one > > > should have > > > > > > the right to die with some dignity if facing insurmountable > > > suffering, but > > > > > > it should be held a sacred right and protected as much as > possible > > > from > > > > > > manipulation holding severe punishments. An 18 year old can > decide > > > whether > > > > > > to stand in the line of fire, but someone with incurable cancer > or > > > mind/body > > > > > > falling apart cannot say enough is enough until their body can > give > > > up > > > > > > without aid. Insurance companies should hold no weight in the > > > discussion. > > > > > > > -- > > > > > ( > > > > > ) > > > > > I_D Allan > > > > > > > If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken > > > > > Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -
