I wonder if the statistics are affected by those who suffer, then die
with little or no betterment, they wouldn't be around to evangelize that
life sucked then they died. Though the thought of life improving before
ones death is preferable to suffering then dying IMO, I am not sure we
can use that to substantiate that /all ought/ not to choose death as a
viable alternative in /every/ situation.
On 1/11/2011 10:20 AM, [email protected] wrote:
Shame is sooooooo subjective my freind that I simply cannot belive
that all sucides are shamfull deaths, and why would any human feel
shame on themselfs for the sucicide of somebody dear to them? or put
another why, I have read your claim and now I ask why it is so?
Why does the family of the man who commits sucide suffer an indignaty?
Why should the same man instead suffer more so to eleviate the shame,
suffering and indignaty of his family(these are your words, I really
have not the first idea why these people would feel any of this)?
As I have already asked you, why would you ask others to suffer so
that by doing so they cause
suffering in others to cease? Are you asking those who wish for 'no
more' to prolong their agnony for some imagined shame, or suffering or
indignaty that their families may or may not feel?
Life is not sancrosanct, do you belive it is?
Some depression is indeed temporary, others suffer for the whole of
their lives, one rule then simply does not in this context surfice for
all.
Yes death is inevitable, but do you not agree that a rational human
has every right to say when their life ends?
Are you concerns then simply about the mannor of death? A natural
death of old age or even a painfull death from illness is preferable
to takeing your own life? What is then about differant modes of death
that may bring shame, indignaty and suffering to family members, or
may not?
Hope is divine. Everything is divine my freind. And you actualy tell
us a massive whooper here
when you say:
'Hope is divine and one should not ever give up because most of the
time things change for the better'
The reality is that for the vast majority of us and the vast majority
of times, we do noty get things the way we want them, or things do no
change for the better most of the time.
Life i a funny old thing, sometimes you get to live it exactly how you
wish, mostly though you bear the bad times and when the good times
come you enjoy them.
On Jan 10, 5:26 pm, RP Singh<[email protected]> wrote:
When someone commits suicide it is not a simple death , rather it is a
shameful one for the family and often it leads to sorrow and trouble for the
loved ones. The person who has died has escaped the frustrations of life but
he has left a life of indignity and sorrow for his children , if had borne
with his suffering a bit more he would have got over his troubles and saved
his family from much indignity and frustration. Most of the times a person
commits suicide in a mood of desperation which if had borne a bit he would
have got over it and would have gone about his life in a much better frame
of mind.Depression is temporary and runs it course , after which the
sufferer goes about his work in a better frame of mind. Again death is
inevitable and no matter how much you are suffering it will end one day , so
why not keep hope and give yourself another chance for whether you are like
it or not death will knock at your door sooner or later , so why prepone
death. Hope is divine and one should not ever give up because most of the
time things change for the better , and as you will die anyway there is no
harm in being hopeful for the remaining period of your life.
On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 5:57 PM, [email protected]<
[email protected]> wrote:
Sorry I have to call tosh on this one. People die and when they do
those left behind DO get over their deaths. Why would a loved ones
death be pain 100 times over? Death is inevitable depression is a
living death for some. Pain 100 times over? Not even close.
On Jan 9, 9:39 pm, Manfraco Frank Elder<[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi everybody!
I have to say that I have heard many time that one wishes to end it
all, so, suicide is on some people minds when they do not see a way
out from their sorrows and pains. At the same time I have to say that
you are right RP when you say that pain will be increased a hundred
times to the people surrounding those who commit suicide, but what
could those same people have done to prevent that suicide? I think
that is the question that we have to ask ourselves, when we find
ourselves in such a situation?
My regards to you all,
Manfraco
On Jan 9, 9:53 pm, iam deheretic<[email protected]> wrote:
I tend to agree with the insurmountable suffering, but even there I am
not
sure. I do know that in long duration fasting the hunger only last for
a
few days especially if you find something to occupy your time. I do
know
that taking advantage of the situations one is in and open up to the
experience can lead into some pretty amazing situations. That has
occurred
in the past for me, 'What works I am not about to fix.'
Now the teenage in depression,, well that comes between him and the
Creator,but I tend to think that the emotional turmoil they are going
through will then continue through all eternity and their death will be
added to it.
But what do I know.. just the reasons I don't like the idea for myself.
Allan
On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 9:42 PM, Ash<[email protected]> wrote:
On 1/8/2011 9:28 AM, RP Singh wrote:
When a man is under depression he tries to escape pain by committing
suicide , but does he really escape pain? No he increases it
hundredfold.
The pain and sorrow that his family and friends feel at his demise
is
actually a pain that is experienced by that individual. Escapism is
no
remedy , the only way is to struggle and bear through all hardships.
To
fight throughout is the only way and as death will eventually come,
why
prepone it.
And there are worse things than death. There are many ways however to
minimize on the effects to others, such as drinking a bottle of rum
and
passing out while out camping or hunting in extreme cold. Making it
look
accidental however deprives others from the truth of why, and there
is
always the element of wasted potential to reconcile. I agree one
should have
the right to die with some dignity if facing insurmountable
suffering, but
it should be held a sacred right and protected as much as possible
from
manipulation holding severe punishments. An 18 year old can decide
whether
to stand in the line of fire, but someone with incurable cancer or
mind/body
falling apart cannot say enough is enough until their body can give
up
without aid. Insurance companies should hold no weight in the
discussion.
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