Well, Roman Catholics used to be given an extra dose of shame, perhaps! :-) The old Examination of Conscience is a lulu!//We do disagree but that is okay because I am thinking of various behaviors and scandals that stain the family "name" and are often hard to overcome because others have prejudged you and that can influence how one behaves sometimes negatively in response to low expectations. However, one rises above the fray, so to speak, and carries on and even takes satisfaction in their own success despite odds to the contrary. Actually, it is inspiring to think of the cases where people have risen beyond their circumstances and family problems and shows a great spirit. We are not separate from our family in the sense that we must take the good with the bad otherwise we will say I have this great trait/talent from my parents/upbringing but not that influence or regret. The introduction of "no fault" laws have really not affected blame- perhaps in the laws but not in attitude- which brings up the darling lawyers who sue left and right for a living! :-)
On Jan 11, 9:22 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: > I would wholehartedly disagree with you here. Feel shame only for the > shamefull things that you have done, and of course the flipside is > feel pride only in the good things you have done. > > The good or ill that my father has done over his life have absolutly > no bareing on me at all, rather that is his life and he gets to feel > the shame or pride. > > On Jan 11, 2:09 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > There are many sources of shame for a family. > > > On Jan 10, 11:26 am, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > When someone commits suicide it is not a simple death , rather it is a > > > shameful one for the family and often it leads to sorrow and trouble for > > > the > > > loved ones. The person who has died has escaped the frustrations of life > > > but > > > he has left a life of indignity and sorrow for his children , if had borne > > > with his suffering a bit more he would have got over his troubles and > > > saved > > > his family from much indignity and frustration. Most of the times a person > > > commits suicide in a mood of desperation which if had borne a bit he would > > > have got over it and would have gone about his life in a much better frame > > > of mind.Depression is temporary and runs it course , after which the > > > sufferer goes about his work in a better frame of mind. Again death is > > > inevitable and no matter how much you are suffering it will end one day , > > > so > > > why not keep hope and give yourself another chance for whether you are > > > like > > > it or not death will knock at your door sooner or later , so why prepone > > > death. Hope is divine and one should not ever give up because most of the > > > time things change for the better , and as you will die anyway there is no > > > harm in being hopeful for the remaining period of your life. > > > > On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 5:57 PM, [email protected] < > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > Sorry I have to call tosh on this one. People die and when they do > > > > those left behind DO get over their deaths. Why would a loved ones > > > > death be pain 100 times over? Death is inevitable depression is a > > > > living death for some. Pain 100 times over? Not even close. > > > > > On Jan 9, 9:39 pm, Manfraco Frank Elder <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Hi everybody! > > > > > I have to say that I have heard many time that one wishes to end it > > > > > all, so, suicide is on some people minds when they do not see a way > > > > > out from their sorrows and pains. At the same time I have to say that > > > > > you are right RP when you say that pain will be increased a hundred > > > > > times to the people surrounding those who commit suicide, but what > > > > > could those same people have done to prevent that suicide? I think > > > > > that is the question that we have to ask ourselves, when we find > > > > > ourselves in such a situation? > > > > > My regards to you all, > > > > > Manfraco > > > > > > On Jan 9, 9:53 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > I tend to agree with the insurmountable suffering, but even there I > > > > > > am > > > > not > > > > > > sure. I do know that in long duration fasting the hunger only last > > > > > > for > > > > a > > > > > > few days especially if you find something to occupy your time. I do > > > > know > > > > > > that taking advantage of the situations one is in and open up to the > > > > > > experience can lead into some pretty amazing situations. That has > > > > occurred > > > > > > in the past for me, 'What works I am not about to fix.' > > > > > > > Now the teenage in depression,, well that comes between him and the > > > > > > Creator,but I tend to think that the emotional turmoil they are > > > > > > going > > > > > > through will then continue through all eternity and their death > > > > > > will be > > > > > > added to it. > > > > > > But what do I know.. just the reasons I don't like the idea for > > > > > > myself. > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 9:42 PM, Ash <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > On 1/8/2011 9:28 AM, RP Singh wrote: > > > > > > > >> When a man is under depression he tries to escape pain by > > > > > > >> committing > > > > > > >> suicide , but does he really escape pain? No he increases it > > > > hundredfold. > > > > > > >> The pain and sorrow that his family and friends feel at his > > > > > > >> demise > > > > is > > > > > > >> actually a pain that is experienced by that individual. Escapism > > > > > > >> is > > > > no > > > > > > >> remedy , the only way is to struggle and bear through all > > > > > > >> hardships. > > > > To > > > > > > >> fight throughout is the only way and as death will eventually > > > > > > >> come, > > > > why > > > > > > >> prepone it. > > > > > > > > And there are worse things than death. There are many ways > > > > > > > however to > > > > > > > minimize on the effects to others, such as drinking a bottle of > > > > > > > rum > > > > and > > > > > > > passing out while out camping or hunting in extreme cold. Making > > > > > > > it > > > > look > > > > > > > accidental however deprives others from the truth of why, and > > > > > > > there > > > > is > > > > > > > always the element of wasted potential to reconcile. I agree one > > > > should have > > > > > > > the right to die with some dignity if facing insurmountable > > > > suffering, but > > > > > > > it should be held a sacred right and protected as much as possible > > > > from > > > > > > > manipulation holding severe punishments. An 18 year old can decide > > > > whether > > > > > > > to stand in the line of fire, but someone with incurable cancer or > > > > mind/body > > > > > > > falling apart cannot say enough is enough until their body can > > > > > > > give > > > > up > > > > > > > without aid. Insurance companies should hold no weight in the > > > > discussion. > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > ( > > > > > > ) > > > > > > I_D Allan > > > > > > > If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken > > > > > > Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
