RP, no, I don’t “have to” do any of that; however, I do know that when examined, water, ‘self’ and even your analogy are all illusions.
Yes, truth is. And to demand adherence let alone identification with one side or the other of the bifurcation of reality into the relative or the absolute is ignorance. Period. On Feb 10, 4:41 am, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > Bubbles in a pond of water exist for a moment and then merge with the > water in which they arose. Their identity cannot be said to exist > before formation or after dissolution , rather it is water which > really exists and bubbles are just transient occurrences and can be > said to be illusory. If you say you are the Self you have to admit > that there is only one Self and all individualities being transient > are just illusions. First you have to admit whether you are an > individuality which is one among many or you are the one Self which > alone is the Truth as being unborn and primeaval. > > On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 9:26 AM, ornamentalmind > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Thanks RP...I'll take that as a 'yes'... > > > On Feb 9, 6:20 am, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > >> That ,which is for a time and not eternal or permanent is an illusion > >> as it is just temporary. God is eternal and permanent , unborn and > >> indestructible and hence is a " Fact " and not illusion. We are born , > >> live and die and thus not being eternal or permanent we are illusions. > >> Whatever we do is predetermined and thus not being free our will is > >> just an illusion. There is only one Spirit , one Will which is free > >> and hence is " Fact " and not illusion. My " fact " that God is , is > >> not an illusion but I myself am an illusion. > > >> On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 7:17 PM, ornamentalmind > > >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > RP, are not all of your listed “facts” and “shoulds” illusions too? > > >> > On Feb 9, 1:35 am, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> Whichever way you look at it the fact is that this world and > >> >> everything in it is an illusion because everything is predetermined by > >> >> God and nothing is permanent and merges with God and loses all > >> >> individual identity. That freedom to act which moves along a > >> >> predetermined course is not actually a freedom but an illusion as > >> >> such. Still the fact remains that as far as we are concerned we are > >> >> free and accountable to ourselves and others for whatever we do as we > >> >> are the agents. But it is a cool thought that knowing our bondage we > >> >> shouldn't be proud of our achievements and depressed about our > >> >> failure , rather we should act with a coolness of purpose and not look > >> >> down upon our less fortunate brethren. Ever acting to the best of our > >> >> abilities in a spirit of Yoga we should surrender all our actions to > >> >> God. > > >> >> On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 9:56 AM, ornamentalmind > > >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > So, the act of concluding that one isn’t “doing” anything and it is > >> >> > all God’s “doing” is an illusion? > > >> >> > On Feb 8, 8:23 am, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> God is not someone sitting on a cloud and watching Rigsy reading > >> >> >> Tolstoy , Allan talking about being part of God , RP talking about > >> >> >> Non-Duality again and again in different words , He is the Inner > >> >> >> Force > >> >> >> which is making it all happen. And if we feel that we are doing > >> >> >> whatever we do , that's the illusion.
