As far as we and the world is concerned we have free will but as far as God is concerned we have none. If we suffer for naught it is a tragedy of life and if sinners bask in the sun it is their good fortune. Lee , why do you insist that you be free in the eyes of God from whose very whim you were born and will die.
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 7:26 PM, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > Hey Rigsy, > > I speak of course about the punsihment dished out by God for non > belife or non adherance to Gods rules. You know the hell of the > Christian faith for example. > > Essentialy I'm questioning RP's insistance of Gods will equals no free > will, and questioning the validity of the concept of deity that on the > one hand says 'all is my will' and on the other says 'do as I will > thee, or suffer my punishment'. Hahah nowt new in this line of > reasoning. > > On Feb 11, 12:47 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: >> Society itself doles out the punishment and rewards. Clever people >> make money. Education can lift one up and away. Beauty and >> handsomeness can open doors, etc. The mystery is that human nature can >> lead to screw-ups anyway. >> >> On Feb 10, 5:52 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> > Sorry RP. It does seem like our Pat has gotten to you somewhat. >> >> > I totaly disagree with this. Free will, the freedom to choose or deny >> > God is not an illusion. >> >> > How many faiths tell us of the consaquenses of denying God? Why even >> > bother if your choice is no choice at all but predetirmed and is >> > infact an action of God? >> >> > No sir I disagree. Too may religiouns talk about punishments for >> > denying God for this idea to be false. >> >> > On Feb 9, 9:35 am, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > Whichever way you look at it the fact is that this world and >> > > everything in it is an illusion because everything is predetermined by >> > > God and nothing is permanent and merges with God and loses all >> > > individual identity. That freedom to act which moves along a >> > > predetermined course is not actually a freedom but an illusion as >> > > such. Still the fact remains that as far as we are concerned we are >> > > free and accountable to ourselves and others for whatever we do as we >> > > are the agents. But it is a cool thought that knowing our bondage we >> > > shouldn't be proud of our achievements and depressed about our >> > > failure , rather we should act with a coolness of purpose and not look >> > > down upon our less fortunate brethren. Ever acting to the best of our >> > > abilities in a spirit of Yoga we should surrender all our actions to >> > > God. >> >> > > On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 9:56 AM, ornamentalmind >> >> > > <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > > So, the act of concluding that one isn’t “doing” anything and it is >> > > > all God’s “doing” is an illusion? >> >> > > > On Feb 8, 8:23 am, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > >> God is not someone sitting on a cloud and watching Rigsy reading >> > > >> Tolstoy , Allan talking about being part of God , RP talking about >> > > >> Non-Duality again and again in different words , He is the Inner Force >> > > >> which is making it all happen. And if we feel that we are doing >> > > >> whatever we do , that's the illusion.- Hide quoted text - >> >> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >> >> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text -
