Orn , what is the state of an individual after death. Does he exist as an astral body or as a formless soul in separation with God? I would like to know about your viewpoint.
On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 7:08 PM, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > RP, no, I don’t “have to” do any of that; however, I do know that when > examined, water, ‘self’ and even your analogy are all illusions. > > Yes, truth is. And to demand adherence let alone identification with > one side or the other of the bifurcation of reality into the relative > or the absolute is ignorance. Period. > > > On Feb 10, 4:41 am, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >> Bubbles in a pond of water exist for a moment and then merge with the >> water in which they arose. Their identity cannot be said to exist >> before formation or after dissolution , rather it is water which >> really exists and bubbles are just transient occurrences and can be >> said to be illusory. If you say you are the Self you have to admit >> that there is only one Self and all individualities being transient >> are just illusions. First you have to admit whether you are an >> individuality which is one among many or you are the one Self which >> alone is the Truth as being unborn and primeaval. >> >> On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 9:26 AM, ornamentalmind >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Thanks RP...I'll take that as a 'yes'... >> >> > On Feb 9, 6:20 am, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> That ,which is for a time and not eternal or permanent is an illusion >> >> as it is just temporary. God is eternal and permanent , unborn and >> >> indestructible and hence is a " Fact " and not illusion. We are born , >> >> live and die and thus not being eternal or permanent we are illusions. >> >> Whatever we do is predetermined and thus not being free our will is >> >> just an illusion. There is only one Spirit , one Will which is free >> >> and hence is " Fact " and not illusion. My " fact " that God is , is >> >> not an illusion but I myself am an illusion. >> >> >> On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 7:17 PM, ornamentalmind >> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > RP, are not all of your listed “facts” and “shoulds” illusions too? >> >> >> > On Feb 9, 1:35 am, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> Whichever way you look at it the fact is that this world and >> >> >> everything in it is an illusion because everything is predetermined by >> >> >> God and nothing is permanent and merges with God and loses all >> >> >> individual identity. That freedom to act which moves along a >> >> >> predetermined course is not actually a freedom but an illusion as >> >> >> such. Still the fact remains that as far as we are concerned we are >> >> >> free and accountable to ourselves and others for whatever we do as we >> >> >> are the agents. But it is a cool thought that knowing our bondage we >> >> >> shouldn't be proud of our achievements and depressed about our >> >> >> failure , rather we should act with a coolness of purpose and not look >> >> >> down upon our less fortunate brethren. Ever acting to the best of our >> >> >> abilities in a spirit of Yoga we should surrender all our actions to >> >> >> God. >> >> >> >> On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 9:56 AM, ornamentalmind >> >> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> > So, the act of concluding that one isn’t “doing” anything and it is >> >> >> > all God’s “doing” is an illusion? >> >> >> >> > On Feb 8, 8:23 am, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> God is not someone sitting on a cloud and watching Rigsy reading >> >> >> >> Tolstoy , Allan talking about being part of God , RP talking about >> >> >> >> Non-Duality again and again in different words , He is the Inner >> >> >> >> Force >> >> >> >> which is making it all happen. And if we feel that we are doing >> >> >> >> whatever we do , that's the illusion.
