Then I would conclude that such a being is not God. Freewill either exists or is an illusion. If I agree that all things come from God, and I do certianly agree to that, then I must also agree that free will or the freedom of choice is a gift from God to humanity.
Otherwise the concept of punisment for deeds that we have no control over make no sense at all. We are told that God made us in his image, what do you suppose is meant by this? We are told that God wants us to not blindly except but to question and make use of our brains. What do you understand is meant by this? On Feb 10, 12:32 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > Lee , I am not denying free will , I am only saying that our > individual wills are subject to the Cosmic Will or that whatever > happens is only with God's blessings. If you go and shoot someone it > is you who do so and are accountable for it , but that couldn't have > happened without God's permission. Everything that you do has to have > God's sanction otherwise how can God's will be done on Earth as in > Heaven. First you have to admit whether God is omnipotent or not and > if yes nothing could be done without his sanction. That you will be > punished or rewarded is another matter , God takes with one hand and > gives with another. First He lets you commit sin and then punishes > you. Life is full of paradoxes. > > On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 5:22 PM, [email protected] > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Sorry RP. It does seem like our Pat has gotten to you somewhat. > > > I totaly disagree with this. Free will, the freedom to choose or deny > > God is not an illusion. > > > How many faiths tell us of the consaquenses of denying God? Why even > > bother if your choice is no choice at all but predetirmed and is > > infact an action of God? > > > No sir I disagree. Too may religiouns talk about punishments for > > denying God for this idea to be false. > > > On Feb 9, 9:35 am, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Whichever way you look at it the fact is that this world and > >> everything in it is an illusion because everything is predetermined by > >> God and nothing is permanent and merges with God and loses all > >> individual identity. That freedom to act which moves along a > >> predetermined course is not actually a freedom but an illusion as > >> such. Still the fact remains that as far as we are concerned we are > >> free and accountable to ourselves and others for whatever we do as we > >> are the agents. But it is a cool thought that knowing our bondage we > >> shouldn't be proud of our achievements and depressed about our > >> failure , rather we should act with a coolness of purpose and not look > >> down upon our less fortunate brethren. Ever acting to the best of our > >> abilities in a spirit of Yoga we should surrender all our actions to > >> God. > > >> On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 9:56 AM, ornamentalmind > > >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > So, the act of concluding that one isn’t “doing” anything and it is > >> > all God’s “doing” is an illusion? > > >> > On Feb 8, 8:23 am, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> God is not someone sitting on a cloud and watching Rigsy reading > >> >> Tolstoy , Allan talking about being part of God , RP talking about > >> >> Non-Duality again and again in different words , He is the Inner Force > >> >> which is making it all happen. And if we feel that we are doing > >> >> whatever we do , that's the illusion.- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
