Heheh RP, probably for the same reasons you insist the opposite. In short, it is what I belive.
This still makes no sense to me. I asked what it is you understand is meant by humanity being created in Gods image. I asked as your answer is important to my stance. Do we look like God, is this what it means? I should think not, as we are also told that God is formless. Mool Mantar tells us this in very easy to understand language. Do we then share something else in common? I would suggest that this is closer to the truth. What then? Is it our capacity for love or hate, our ability to emphasis withour fellow man? Or could it be that God is as prone to emotions and emotional outburst/responses as we are? I peronaly go for the second. Either whatever evil humanity is capable of so is God(yet we are also told not to sin, to be good rather than evil), So I suppose that whatever good mankind is capable of then so is God. Being God, Gods good must far exceead ours. Would you a mere human punish your child for the things that he has no control over? Nope I would not, I could not, nor do I belive would God. Hence free will is not an illusion, it is perhaps the greatest gift to us from God. We are not like the angels, we can choose if we so wish to deny God. This is the greatest sign of love. We even though we are humans do the same with our children. We protect them and teach them and then let them go. We do this in love and out of love for our offspring. How can our God behave any differantly from the best behaviour of humanity and yet still be our God? Nope, it can't happen and in truth it does not happen. On Feb 11, 2:34 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > As far as we and the world is concerned we have free will but as far > as God is concerned we have none. If we suffer for naught it is a > tragedy of life and if sinners bask in the sun it is their good > fortune. > Lee , why do you insist that you be free in the eyes of God from whose > very whim you were born and will die. > > On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 7:26 PM, [email protected] > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hey Rigsy, > > > I speak of course about the punsihment dished out by God for non > > belife or non adherance to Gods rules. You know the hell of the > > Christian faith for example. > > > Essentialy I'm questioning RP's insistance of Gods will equals no free > > will, and questioning the validity of the concept of deity that on the > > one hand says 'all is my will' and on the other says 'do as I will > > thee, or suffer my punishment'. Hahah nowt new in this line of > > reasoning. > > > On Feb 11, 12:47 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Society itself doles out the punishment and rewards. Clever people > >> make money. Education can lift one up and away. Beauty and > >> handsomeness can open doors, etc. The mystery is that human nature can > >> lead to screw-ups anyway. > > >> On Feb 10, 5:52 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > > >> > Sorry RP. It does seem like our Pat has gotten to you somewhat. > > >> > I totaly disagree with this. Free will, the freedom to choose or deny > >> > God is not an illusion. > > >> > How many faiths tell us of the consaquenses of denying God? Why even > >> > bother if your choice is no choice at all but predetirmed and is > >> > infact an action of God? > > >> > No sir I disagree. Too may religiouns talk about punishments for > >> > denying God for this idea to be false. > > >> > On Feb 9, 9:35 am, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > Whichever way you look at it the fact is that this world and > >> > > everything in it is an illusion because everything is predetermined by > >> > > God and nothing is permanent and merges with God and loses all > >> > > individual identity. That freedom to act which moves along a > >> > > predetermined course is not actually a freedom but an illusion as > >> > > such. Still the fact remains that as far as we are concerned we are > >> > > free and accountable to ourselves and others for whatever we do as we > >> > > are the agents. But it is a cool thought that knowing our bondage we > >> > > shouldn't be proud of our achievements and depressed about our > >> > > failure , rather we should act with a coolness of purpose and not look > >> > > down upon our less fortunate brethren. Ever acting to the best of our > >> > > abilities in a spirit of Yoga we should surrender all our actions to > >> > > God. > > >> > > On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 9:56 AM, ornamentalmind > > >> > > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > > So, the act of concluding that one isn’t “doing” anything and it is > >> > > > all God’s “doing” is an illusion? > > >> > > > On Feb 8, 8:23 am, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > >> God is not someone sitting on a cloud and watching Rigsy reading > >> > > >> Tolstoy , Allan talking about being part of God , RP talking about > >> > > >> Non-Duality again and again in different words , He is the Inner > >> > > >> Force > >> > > >> which is making it all happen. And if we feel that we are doing > >> > > >> whatever we do , that's the illusion.- Hide quoted text - > > >> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > >> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
