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On Feb 10, 1:00 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > Orn , what is the state of an individual after death. Does he exist as > an astral body or as a formless soul in separation with God? I would > like to know about your viewpoint. > > On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 7:08 PM, ornamentalmind > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > RP, no, I don’t “have to” do any of that; however, I do know that when > > examined, water, ‘self’ and even your analogy are all illusions. > > > Yes, truth is. And to demand adherence let alone identification with > > one side or the other of the bifurcation of reality into the relative > > or the absolute is ignorance. Period. > > > On Feb 10, 4:41 am, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Bubbles in a pond of water exist for a moment and then merge with the > >> water in which they arose. Their identity cannot be said to exist > >> before formation or after dissolution , rather it is water which > >> really exists and bubbles are just transient occurrences and can be > >> said to be illusory. If you say you are the Self you have to admit > >> that there is only one Self and all individualities being transient > >> are just illusions. First you have to admit whether you are an > >> individuality which is one among many or you are the one Self which > >> alone is the Truth as being unborn and primeaval. > > >> On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 9:26 AM, ornamentalmind > > >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > Thanks RP...I'll take that as a 'yes'... > > >> > On Feb 9, 6:20 am, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> That ,which is for a time and not eternal or permanent is an illusion > >> >> as it is just temporary. God is eternal and permanent , unborn and > >> >> indestructible and hence is a " Fact " and not illusion. We are born , > >> >> live and die and thus not being eternal or permanent we are illusions. > >> >> Whatever we do is predetermined and thus not being free our will is > >> >> just an illusion. There is only one Spirit , one Will which is free > >> >> and hence is " Fact " and not illusion. My " fact " that God is , is > >> >> not an illusion but I myself am an illusion. > > >> >> On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 7:17 PM, ornamentalmind > > >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > RP, are not all of your listed “facts” and “shoulds” illusions too? > > >> >> > On Feb 9, 1:35 am, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> Whichever way you look at it the fact is that this world and > >> >> >> everything in it is an illusion because everything is predetermined > >> >> >> by > >> >> >> God and nothing is permanent and merges with God and loses all > >> >> >> individual identity. That freedom to act which moves along a > >> >> >> predetermined course is not actually a freedom but an illusion as > >> >> >> such. Still the fact remains that as far as we are concerned we are > >> >> >> free and accountable to ourselves and others for whatever we do as we > >> >> >> are the agents. But it is a cool thought that knowing our bondage we > >> >> >> shouldn't be proud of our achievements and depressed about our > >> >> >> failure , rather we should act with a coolness of purpose and not > >> >> >> look > >> >> >> down upon our less fortunate brethren. Ever acting to the best of our > >> >> >> abilities in a spirit of Yoga we should surrender all our actions to > >> >> >> God. > > >> >> >> On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 9:56 AM, ornamentalmind > > >> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> > So, the act of concluding that one isn’t “doing” anything and it is > >> >> >> > all God’s “doing” is an illusion? > > >> >> >> > On Feb 8, 8:23 am, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> >> God is not someone sitting on a cloud and watching Rigsy reading > >> >> >> >> Tolstoy , Allan talking about being part of God , RP talking about > >> >> >> >> Non-Duality again and again in different words , He is the Inner > >> >> >> >> Force > >> >> >> >> which is making it all happen. And if we feel that we are doing > >> >> >> >> whatever we do , that's the illusion.
