Hey Rigsy,
The point of my baking anology was to differantciat between Soul and Matter. Yes indeed other raising agents are to be found, and yes indeed some prefer unlevend bread. Bread is still bread made out of some form of flour. Sticking to this then in answer to your questions. If the yeast is the soul and the flour the matter we can easily see that not all matter containes soul, although it is still thought of as the same thing. Evilness stems not from the yeast but from the flour. That is not from the spirt of God but the minds of mankind. I am both a theists and a humanist, I see no contradiction in this. So yes humanity has progressed for good or ill. How do I measure it? Probably like you do, in many ways. How we treat the worst off amongst us, and our elderly, what levels of technolgy we have and how it is used, our philosophis and where they lead us both theistic and secular, as I say many differant ways. Hahah yes it does seem that religous dogma clouds rationality, sometimes, for some people, but I would argue that it is strict adhereance without questioning the worth of such dogma is to blame, rather than dogma itself. History shows us circles, for those who wish to look. It seems we move forward, and then the same old shit happens, and around we go again. On Feb 22, 1:43 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > Animals can have personalities. People can have a herd mentality > lacking intelligence, individualism and uniqueness. > > Is the soul from a creator? How do you explain evil- do you admit > there are evil souls/forces? Is the soul/creator split between good > and evil? (This was a heresy of the Early Church but a doctrine of > Zoroastrianism.) > > Baking powder and soda also create a rise in flour. Some peole prefer > flat breads. :-) > > Civilization might progress on the basis of other criteria- there was > a book/program about germs and steel but I forget the author and exact > title. How do you measure the progress of the human race- or, do you > see progress or merely an illusion created by the Industrial > Revolution and technology and into whose hands/minds is this progress > steered? Or does religious dogma suspend critical thinking in order > to unify/pacify the populace into a common belief system? Same with > political/economic theories. > > How has all this "been working" for the human race according to > history? > > On Feb 22, 4:40 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > Hah yes I agree that it does appear a little contradictory. > > > Let me attempt to explian it this way. > > > You are a uniqeue individual, differant from me, and indeed every > > other human on the planet. What is the root of this? > > > It is clearly in the brain. The brain holds the essance of the > > person, the physcolgy, the moral and beliefe structure, in short the > > 'personality'. > > > So then what is the soul? As you say it is my beliefe that soul is > > spirit, further that only one spirit pervades the creation,that of the > > creator. > > > But spirit and matter are two differant things. > > > A baking anology I think. > > > I bake some bread and use some yeast, this yeast then is akin to soul, > > and the flour akin to the all pervading creative spirit. After all > > you cannot make bread without some form of flour. > > > If I bake some bread without using yeast, it is still bread, it still > > containes the flour, but bread bereft of yeast. > > > So to is the differance between humans and animals. > > > On Feb 21, 5:45 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On the one hand you profess that there is only one Spirit and the idea > > > that there are more an illusion , on the other hand you speak of > > > souls. Soul is Spirit , and if there is only one Spirit then there are > > > no souls but only One Soul which would be common to all creatures. > > > > On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 10:45 PM, [email protected] > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Ahh science huh. I may not know a lot but I am sure that science and > > > > religion do not agree on many things, the existance of a soul being > > > > one of them I for one would love to read any papers you have that > > > > suggest that animals have souls. > > > > > Anyhoo onwards. > > > > > It is clear that what makes up all of what we may call a human takes > > > > place in the brain. All that you or indeed I am, is due to the old > > > > grey matter. Having said that however I am theist and so I belive in > > > > the existance of the soul. > > > > > So onwards to my initial question. What is a soul and do animals have > > > > them? > > > > > On Feb 18, 2:02 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 7:00 PM, [email protected] > > > > >> <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > What is a soul and do other animals have them? > > > > >> > On Feb 17, 6:03 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> >> Will the goat on the butcher's table survive it's death ? Or will it > > > >> >> die and be no more ? > > > > >> The point to be debated is whether a person is something separate from > > > >> the body and using the body , if so it follows that every animal is > > > >> also using his body though being separate from it. Some major > > > >> religions though making a provision for the human animal to possess a > > > >> soul deny that privilige to the lessor animals which is against logic > > > >> as science would have it. 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