There is not an atom of matter that doesn't contain the Spirit , rather everything and everyone is upheld by the spirit. Hence the basis of all whether animate or inanimate is the soul or the Spirit.
On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 8:26 PM, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > Hey Rigsy, > > > The point of my baking anology was to differantciat between Soul and > Matter. Yes indeed other raising agents are to be found, and yes > indeed some prefer unlevend bread. Bread is still bread made out of > some form of flour. > > Sticking to this then in answer to your questions. > > If the yeast is the soul and the flour the matter we can easily see > that not all matter containes soul, although it is still thought of as > the same thing. > > Evilness stems not from the yeast but from the flour. That is not > from the spirt of God but the minds of mankind. > > I am both a theists and a humanist, I see no contradiction in this. > So yes humanity has progressed for good or ill. How do I measure it? > Probably like you do, in many ways. How we treat the worst off > amongst us, and our elderly, what levels of technolgy we have and how > it is used, our philosophis and where they lead us both theistic and > secular, as I say many differant ways. > > Hahah yes it does seem that religous dogma clouds rationality, > sometimes, for some people, but I would argue that it is strict > adhereance without questioning the worth of such dogma is to blame, > rather than dogma itself. > > History shows us circles, for those who wish to look. It seems we > move forward, and then the same old shit happens, and around we go > again. > > > > On Feb 22, 1:43 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: >> Animals can have personalities. People can have a herd mentality >> lacking intelligence, individualism and uniqueness. >> >> Is the soul from a creator? How do you explain evil- do you admit >> there are evil souls/forces? Is the soul/creator split between good >> and evil? (This was a heresy of the Early Church but a doctrine of >> Zoroastrianism.) >> >> Baking powder and soda also create a rise in flour. Some peole prefer >> flat breads. :-) >> >> Civilization might progress on the basis of other criteria- there was >> a book/program about germs and steel but I forget the author and exact >> title. How do you measure the progress of the human race- or, do you >> see progress or merely an illusion created by the Industrial >> Revolution and technology and into whose hands/minds is this progress >> steered? Or does religious dogma suspend critical thinking in order >> to unify/pacify the populace into a common belief system? Same with >> political/economic theories. >> >> How has all this "been working" for the human race according to >> history? >> >> On Feb 22, 4:40 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> > Hah yes I agree that it does appear a little contradictory. >> >> > Let me attempt to explian it this way. >> >> > You are a uniqeue individual, differant from me, and indeed every >> > other human on the planet. What is the root of this? >> >> > It is clearly in the brain. The brain holds the essance of the >> > person, the physcolgy, the moral and beliefe structure, in short the >> > 'personality'. >> >> > So then what is the soul? As you say it is my beliefe that soul is >> > spirit, further that only one spirit pervades the creation,that of the >> > creator. >> >> > But spirit and matter are two differant things. >> >> > A baking anology I think. >> >> > I bake some bread and use some yeast, this yeast then is akin to soul, >> > and the flour akin to the all pervading creative spirit. After all >> > you cannot make bread without some form of flour. >> >> > If I bake some bread without using yeast, it is still bread, it still >> > containes the flour, but bread bereft of yeast. >> >> > So to is the differance between humans and animals. >> >> > On Feb 21, 5:45 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > On the one hand you profess that there is only one Spirit and the idea >> > > that there are more an illusion , on the other hand you speak of >> > > souls. Soul is Spirit , and if there is only one Spirit then there are >> > > no souls but only One Soul which would be common to all creatures. >> >> > > On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 10:45 PM, [email protected] >> >> > > <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > > Ahh science huh. I may not know a lot but I am sure that science and >> > > > religion do not agree on many things, the existance of a soul being >> > > > one of them I for one would love to read any papers you have that >> > > > suggest that animals have souls. >> >> > > > Anyhoo onwards. >> >> > > > It is clear that what makes up all of what we may call a human takes >> > > > place in the brain. All that you or indeed I am, is due to the old >> > > > grey matter. Having said that however I am theist and so I belive in >> > > > the existance of the soul. >> >> > > > So onwards to my initial question. What is a soul and do animals have >> > > > them? >> >> > > > On Feb 18, 2:02 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > >> On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 7:00 PM, [email protected] >> >> > > >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > >> > What is a soul and do other animals have them? >> >> > > >> > On Feb 17, 6:03 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > >> >> Will the goat on the butcher's table survive it's death ? Or will >> > > >> >> it >> > > >> >> die and be no more ? >> >> > > >> The point to be debated is whether a person is something separate from >> > > >> the body and using the body , if so it follows that every animal is >> > > >> also using his body though being separate from it. Some major >> > > >> religions though making a provision for the human animal to possess a >> > > >> soul deny that privilige to the lessor animals which is against logic >> > > >> as science would have it. 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