Hahah Rigsy. Sikhi in a nut shell is this.
There is but one absolute truth and it is God. We are not seprerated from God, but live in the dualistic belife that we are, to realise this one only needs to keep God in the forefront of the mind at all times.(Which is why we chant vaherguru - or wonderous God(losely translated)) By doing this one eventualy becomes God conciose, rather than man conciouse(Manmukh) and thus their actions become what I suppose we can call 'good' So there is no call to doing good as doing good comes as a natural occourance of trying to become God conciouse(Gurmukh) You should then be able to infer much from the above, perhaps not the least being, there is no heaven nor hell, as there is no one true faith, all faiths may 'lead' to God. On Feb 25, 12:11 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > I am impressed by what I read of Sikhism. After a couple of books at > home, I turned to Wikipedia. I remembered about the Golden Temple and > some other events but they were historical or news items. > > I, too, am a "slow adapter". > > I felt badly about jumping from the particular to the universal > regarding some personal experiences for there were positives as well > as negatives. It reminded me I still feel hurt and anger over some > matters and will try harder to pray for understanding. Maybe God > needed my attention! :-) Just kidding... > > On Feb 23, 9:18 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > Hey Rigsy, > > > There is nowt to forgive my friend. > > > Ignorance is not a sin rather a nateural state. We are all ignorant > > about many things, untill we take the time to learn, and part of the > > learning is in the asking. > > > Realiseing all the time that when we speak in part or on the whole > > about religious belifes we are not dealing in emprical fact but > > beliefe. Some of which we can apply logical thought to, some.... well > > not so much. Then I'll say it is my belife that the soul inhabites > > the body upon conception, or perhaps it is always present, rather as > > RP suggest as part of the pervadidness of God? > > > All of us are redemable, in the eys of God if not in the eyes of each > > other. > > > I'm a lover of nature(if this is indeed the context which you mean?) > > it's hard not to be coming from the Pagan background that I do. I'm > > also an admirerer of a certin Mr Darwin, and believe in an absolute > > sense that we arived here via the process of evolution. > > > So humanity is not somehow seperate from nature but very much a part > > of it. Indeed with our abilities it is clear to see how much sway we > > have over the lives of the other animals that we share this planet > > with. > > > As to Sikhi, ahh I'm not a good Sikh. Only really because Sikhi agrees > > with many of my personal belifes about God and Gods plan. > > > On Feb 23, 2:43 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Thank you for your reply and am thinking about it... > > > > I think this brings up the question of potential and actuality. (Does > > > the fetus have a soul, for instance. Does an evil person retain the > > > possibility of redemption- how does this relate to religious and civil > > > laws? Etc.) > > > > Yes- I just get my hopes up and then...HIstory is indeed a dance back > > > and forth but so is an individual life. We are certainly living in > > > "interesting times" (Chinese wish that can be taken two ways.) > > > > My "man" just cleared another large snowfall- I think we are up to 72" > > > and may hit 90" by the end of March. So my spirit is curious but my > > > mind is distracted. :-) > > > > How does Nature figure into your beliefs? I admit I am quite ignorant > > > about the Sikh faith and tend to limit it to Punjab and turbans. > > > Please forgive my poor education- thus far. > > > > On Feb 23, 5:01 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > Hey RP, > > > > > Yeah I get what you are saying. > > > > > I see a disctiction though. > > > > > I belive that before anything existed there was only God. That is > > > > before the creation, before matter ther was only God, God in spirt. > > > > God created the creation from Gods self. That is God created matter > > > > from spirt, so yes I too belive that there exists not one iota of > > > > matter that does not contian the spirit of God. > > > > > It goes back to my original question though what is Soul? > > > > > Is soul simply spirit? > > > > > No, too much relgious dogma says that only humans can reach God, or if > > > > you like only humans have soul. So what is the portion of God or the > > > > propertie of God that is all pervading? Flour my freind. > > > > > All bread (matter) containes the spirt (flour) of God but not all > > > > bread (matter) containes the soul(yeast) of God. Humans are levend > > > > bread, all else is unlevend. > > > > > I say this because, as I have said too much dogma says it is so. As a > > > > religous man, I must place some of my belife structure on some > > > > religious dogma. > > > > > On Feb 23, 10:37 am, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > There is not an atom of matter that doesn't contain the Spirit , > > > > > rather everything and everyone is upheld by the spirit. Hence the > > > > > basis of all whether animate or inanimate is the soul or the Spirit. > > > > > > On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 8:26 PM, [email protected] > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Hey Rigsy, > > > > > > > The point of my baking anology was to differantciat between Soul and > > > > > > Matter. Yes indeed other raising agents are to be found, and yes > > > > > > indeed some prefer unlevend bread. Bread is still bread made out of > > > > > > some form of flour. > > > > > > > Sticking to this then in answer to your questions. > > > > > > > If the yeast is the soul and the flour the matter we can easily see > > > > > > that not all matter containes soul, although it is still thought of > > > > > > as > > > > > > the same thing. > > > > > > > Evilness stems not from the yeast but from the flour. That is not > > > > > > from the spirt of God but the minds of mankind. > > > > > > > I am both a theists and a humanist, I see no contradiction in this. > > > > > > So yes humanity has progressed for good or ill. How do I measure it? > > > > > > Probably like you do, in many ways. How we treat the worst off > > > > > > amongst us, and our elderly, what levels of technolgy we have and > > > > > > how > > > > > > it is used, our philosophis and where they lead us both theistic and > > > > > > secular, as I say many differant ways. > > > > > > > Hahah yes it does seem that religous dogma clouds rationality, > > > > > > sometimes, for some people, but I would argue that it is strict > > > > > > adhereance without questioning the worth of such dogma is to blame, > > > > > > rather than dogma itself. > > > > > > > History shows us circles, for those who wish to look. It seems we > > > > > > move forward, and then the same old shit happens, and around we go > > > > > > again. > > > > > > > On Feb 22, 1:43 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> Animals can have personalities. People can have a herd mentality > > > > > >> lacking intelligence, individualism and uniqueness. > > > > > > >> Is the soul from a creator? How do you explain evil- do you admit > > > > > >> there are evil souls/forces? Is the soul/creator split between good > > > > > >> and evil? (This was a heresy of the Early Church but a doctrine of > > > > > >> Zoroastrianism.) > > > > > > >> Baking powder and soda also create a rise in flour. Some peole > > > > > >> prefer > > > > > >> flat breads. :-) > > > > > > >> Civilization might progress on the basis of other criteria- there > > > > > >> was > > > > > >> a book/program about germs and steel but I forget the author and > > > > > >> exact > > > > > >> title. How do you measure the progress of the human race- or, do > > > > > >> you > > > > > >> see progress or merely an illusion created by the Industrial > > > > > >> Revolution and technology and into whose hands/minds is this > > > > > >> progress > > > > > >> steered? Or does religious dogma suspend critical thinking in > > > > > >> order > > > > > >> to unify/pacify the populace into a common belief system? Same with > > > > > >> political/economic theories. > > > > > > >> How has all this "been working" for the human race according to > > > > > >> history? > > > > > > >> On Feb 22, 4:40 am, "[email protected]" > > > > > >> <[email protected]> > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > > > >> > Hah yes I agree that it does appear a little contradictory. > > > > > > >> > Let me attempt to explian it this way. > > > > > > >> > You are a uniqeue individual, differant from me, and indeed every > > > > > >> > other human on the planet. What is the root of this? > > > > > > >> > It is clearly in the brain. The brain holds the essance of the > > > > > >> > person, the physcolgy, the moral and beliefe structure, in short > > > > > >> > the > > > > > >> > 'personality'. > > > > > > >> > So then what is the soul? As you say it is my beliefe that soul > > > > > >> > is > > > > > >> > spirit, further that only one spirit pervades the creation,that > > > > > >> > of the > > > > > >> > creator. > > > > > > >> > But spirit and matter are two differant things. > > > > > > >> > A baking anology I think. > > > > > > >> > I bake some bread and use some yeast, this yeast then is akin to > > > > > >> > soul, > > > > > >> > and the flour akin to the all pervading creative spirit. After > > > > > >> > all > > > > > >> > you cannot make bread without some form of flour. > > > > > > >> > If I bake some bread without using yeast, it is still bread, it > > > > > >> > still > > > > > >> > containes the flour, but bread bereft of yeast. > > > > > > >> > So to is the differance between humans and animals. > > > > > > >> > On Feb 21, 5:45 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > >> > > On the one hand you profess that there is only one Spirit and > > > > > >> > > the idea > > > > > >> > > that there are more an illusion , on the other hand you speak > > > > > >> > > of > > > > > >> > > souls. Soul is Spirit , and if there is only one Spirit then > > > > > >> > > there are > > > > > >> > > no souls but only One Soul which would be common to all > > > > > >> > > creatures. > > > > > > >> > > On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 10:45 PM, [email protected] > > > > > > >> > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> > > > Ahh science huh. I may not know a lot but I am sure that > > > > > >> > > > science and > > > > > >> > > > religion do not agree on many things, the existance of a > > > > > >> > > > soul being > > > > > >> > > > one of them I for one would love to read any papers you > > > > > >> > > > have that > > > > > >> > > > suggest that animals have souls. > > > > > > >> > > > Anyhoo onwards. > > > > > > >> > > > It is clear that what makes up all of what we may call a > > > > > >> > > > human takes > > > > > >> > > > place in the brain. All that you or indeed I am, is due to > > > > > >> > > > the old > > > > > >> > > > grey matter. Having said that however I am theist and so I > > > > > >> > > > belive > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
