Everything that is born will die. This universe was born and will die. God , Spirit , Atman is unborn , that is, have always been and is beyond birth and death. The Spirit is the basis of all , the living and non-living , it is our innermost being and when we die it is the body and self-sense which dies but the Spirit remains. We live in duality but the Spirit is in a state of non-duality and is one for all , that is , the soul of all is one and there are no individual souls and the awareness that there are, is an illusion.
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 4:31 PM, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > Hey RP, > > Yeah I get what you are saying. > > I see a disctiction though. > > I belive that before anything existed there was only God. That is > before the creation, before matter ther was only God, God in spirt. > God created the creation from Gods self. That is God created matter > from spirt, so yes I too belive that there exists not one iota of > matter that does not contian the spirit of God. > > It goes back to my original question though what is Soul? > > Is soul simply spirit? > > No, too much relgious dogma says that only humans can reach God, or if > you like only humans have soul. So what is the portion of God or the > propertie of God that is all pervading? Flour my freind. > > All bread (matter) containes the spirt (flour) of God but not all > bread (matter) containes the soul(yeast) of God. Humans are levend > bread, all else is unlevend. > > I say this because, as I have said too much dogma says it is so. As a > religous man, I must place some of my belife structure on some > religious dogma. > > On Feb 23, 10:37 am, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >> There is not an atom of matter that doesn't contain the Spirit , >> rather everything and everyone is upheld by the spirit. Hence the >> basis of all whether animate or inanimate is the soul or the Spirit. >> >> On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 8:26 PM, [email protected] >> >> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Hey Rigsy, >> >> > The point of my baking anology was to differantciat between Soul and >> > Matter. Yes indeed other raising agents are to be found, and yes >> > indeed some prefer unlevend bread. Bread is still bread made out of >> > some form of flour. >> >> > Sticking to this then in answer to your questions. >> >> > If the yeast is the soul and the flour the matter we can easily see >> > that not all matter containes soul, although it is still thought of as >> > the same thing. >> >> > Evilness stems not from the yeast but from the flour. That is not >> > from the spirt of God but the minds of mankind. >> >> > I am both a theists and a humanist, I see no contradiction in this. >> > So yes humanity has progressed for good or ill. How do I measure it? >> > Probably like you do, in many ways. How we treat the worst off >> > amongst us, and our elderly, what levels of technolgy we have and how >> > it is used, our philosophis and where they lead us both theistic and >> > secular, as I say many differant ways. >> >> > Hahah yes it does seem that religous dogma clouds rationality, >> > sometimes, for some people, but I would argue that it is strict >> > adhereance without questioning the worth of such dogma is to blame, >> > rather than dogma itself. >> >> > History shows us circles, for those who wish to look. It seems we >> > move forward, and then the same old shit happens, and around we go >> > again. >> >> > On Feb 22, 1:43 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Animals can have personalities. People can have a herd mentality >> >> lacking intelligence, individualism and uniqueness. >> >> >> Is the soul from a creator? How do you explain evil- do you admit >> >> there are evil souls/forces? Is the soul/creator split between good >> >> and evil? (This was a heresy of the Early Church but a doctrine of >> >> Zoroastrianism.) >> >> >> Baking powder and soda also create a rise in flour. Some peole prefer >> >> flat breads. :-) >> >> >> Civilization might progress on the basis of other criteria- there was >> >> a book/program about germs and steel but I forget the author and exact >> >> title. How do you measure the progress of the human race- or, do you >> >> see progress or merely an illusion created by the Industrial >> >> Revolution and technology and into whose hands/minds is this progress >> >> steered? Or does religious dogma suspend critical thinking in order >> >> to unify/pacify the populace into a common belief system? Same with >> >> political/economic theories. >> >> >> How has all this "been working" for the human race according to >> >> history? >> >> >> On Feb 22, 4:40 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> > Hah yes I agree that it does appear a little contradictory. >> >> >> > Let me attempt to explian it this way. >> >> >> > You are a uniqeue individual, differant from me, and indeed every >> >> > other human on the planet. What is the root of this? >> >> >> > It is clearly in the brain. The brain holds the essance of the >> >> > person, the physcolgy, the moral and beliefe structure, in short the >> >> > 'personality'. >> >> >> > So then what is the soul? As you say it is my beliefe that soul is >> >> > spirit, further that only one spirit pervades the creation,that of the >> >> > creator. >> >> >> > But spirit and matter are two differant things. >> >> >> > A baking anology I think. >> >> >> > I bake some bread and use some yeast, this yeast then is akin to soul, >> >> > and the flour akin to the all pervading creative spirit. After all >> >> > you cannot make bread without some form of flour. >> >> >> > If I bake some bread without using yeast, it is still bread, it still >> >> > containes the flour, but bread bereft of yeast. >> >> >> > So to is the differance between humans and animals. >> >> >> > On Feb 21, 5:45 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> > > On the one hand you profess that there is only one Spirit and the idea >> >> > > that there are more an illusion , on the other hand you speak of >> >> > > souls. Soul is Spirit , and if there is only one Spirit then there are >> >> > > no souls but only One Soul which would be common to all creatures. >> >> >> > > On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 10:45 PM, [email protected] >> >> >> > > <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > > Ahh science huh. I may not know a lot but I am sure that science >> >> > > > and >> >> > > > religion do not agree on many things, the existance of a soul being >> >> > > > one of them I for one would love to read any papers you have that >> >> > > > suggest that animals have souls. >> >> >> > > > Anyhoo onwards. >> >> >> > > > It is clear that what makes up all of what we may call a human takes >> >> > > > place in the brain. All that you or indeed I am, is due to the old >> >> > > > grey matter. Having said that however I am theist and so I belive >> >> > > > in >> >> > > > the existance of the soul. >> >> >> > > > So onwards to my initial question. What is a soul and do animals >> >> > > > have >> >> > > > them? >> >> >> > > > On Feb 18, 2:02 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > >> On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 7:00 PM, [email protected] >> >> >> > > >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > >> > What is a soul and do other animals have them? >> >> >> > > >> > On Feb 17, 6:03 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > >> >> Will the goat on the butcher's table survive it's death ? Or >> >> > > >> >> will it >> >> > > >> >> die and be no more ? >> >> >> > > >> The point to be debated is whether a person is something separate >> >> > > >> from >> >> > > >> the body and using the body , if so it follows that every animal is >> >> > > >> also using his body though being separate from it. Some major >> >> > > >> religions though making a provision for the human animal to >> >> > > >> possess a >> >> > > >> soul deny that privilige to the lessor animals which is against >> >> > > >> logic >> >> > > >> as science would have it. Either all living beings have souls or >> >> > > >> none >> >> > > >> have it.- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text -
