Are savages also the result of the Cosmic Will or is predator/prey built into human/animal nature by Nature? The cannibals think they are normal, afterall. :-)
On Mar 4, 6:33 am, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > We must keep on searching to find the answers, Rigsy, but the fact > remains that it is the Cosmic Will which is at work and in an orderly > manner so that we can discover laws and patterns.' Why' is a big > question and ultimately Creation itself has no reason except being a > product of God's Will. > > > > On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 5:48 PM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > I would like to see you apply this to a soldier who kills and a > > murderer at large. Society encourages/trains one and incarcerates the > > other. (One could also compare a elegant swindler and a thief.) > > > How do you define normal and rational? Who sets the values? > > > It has been said that one's emotional nature is set at about age seven > > and the brain by mid-twenties. How does this figure into one's > > "nature"? > > > Is a controlled nature authentic or fake? (A deranged addict vs. a > > calmed highly medicated fuzzy-wuzzy, for instance.) > > > Is it possible to have several natures within one being- expressed or > > repressed based on circumstances or opportunities? Is this fraudulent > > or the human condition/frustration. > > > What do you think really drives humans leaving out religion and social > > expectations- power, money or sex? Or is the drive to virtue and > > excellence intrinsic or learned? Why? > > > On Mar 3, 8:44 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > >> A madman is dancing around the streets , his actions and thoughts are > >> bizarre but whatever he is doing it is with free will. He is given > >> medicines over a period of time and is not interfered with in any > >> other manner. Over a period of time his actions and thoughts become > >> normal , where is your free will , Lee? Actions and thoughts are made > >> rational with medicines , in other words thoughts and actions can be > >> controlled with physical or chemical administrations. In other words > >> the will is not free but controlled from within and outside the > >> organism , and from within in the sense that your very nature comes > >> into play. > > >> On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 10:43 PM, [email protected] > > >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > Again my friend I agree, man sure does interpret scripturein a biased > >> > manner. > > >> > Again I don't argue against determinisim, but I question the level of > >> > effect it has on rational, thinking beings, and I alo simply do not > >> > belive choice within a limitted scope is not free. > > >> > As I say I may wish to fly unadied by machines, but cannot due to the > >> > confineds of my body, however I can still fly if that is my wish. My > >> > choice may be restricted, but it is still ther for me to make. > > >> > Choice. > > >> > We make many choices everyday. Either do A or do not do A. The fact > >> > that my choice is limited to one of these does not negate the fact > >> > that I can still make that choice. > > >> > Undoubedlty you may question, what in my past has determined what my > >> > choice may be, unknownst to me, in my subcociouse. I say such a > >> > belife is grounded in the very act of beliefe itself. > > >> > Unless one can point to all that you say may determine choice then to > >> > take the stance of determinism based upon this is at best an educated > >> > guess, and at worst unsubstanciated belife. > > >> > On Mar 3, 4:52 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> Man interprets the Scriptures in a biased manner , but if you look > >> >> closely and take into account diverse verses you will find that the > >> >> meaning is quite clear. Science is so advanced now that the laws of > >> >> biology , genetics , psychology etc. give credence to the faith in > >> >> determinism. You say there are conditions, but I see conditions within > >> >> conditions. > > >> >> On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 10:04 PM, [email protected] > > >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > Quite poetic really RP. > > >> >> > I can't help but wonder how many ways this passage could be > >> >> > interpreted though. That addition of the word heart makes me think > >> >> > automaticly that the power of love can move anything. > > >> >> > Does this really suggest then God literaly controls us, or indeed our > >> >> > movments, or could it perhaps suggest that Gods love moves the hearts > >> >> > of man? > > >> >> > On Mar 3, 3:35 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> I am quoting a verse from the last chapter of the Bhagvadagita :- > >> >> >> The Lord abides in the hearts of all beings , Oh Arjuna , causing > >> >> >> them > >> >> >> to move around by His power as if they were mounted on a machine. > > >> >> >> You will find similar verses in other Scriptures as well if you take > >> >> >> the trouble to look. > > >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 7:16 PM, [email protected] > > >> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> > I think you are correct in some aspects RP. I would call what you > >> >> >> > call bondage by a differant name. > > >> >> >> > I would name it condition. If your argument is that ther is no > >> >> >> > unfettered freedom, that all is dependant on other things then > >> >> >> > you'll > >> >> >> > get no argument from me. > > >> >> >> > Everything is conditional. I might like to fly unaided by > >> >> >> > mechanics, > >> >> >> > but I simply cannot. This is a condition of my body, and my > >> >> >> > species. > > >> >> >> > Reason, human reason like much else about us is not static, that > >> >> >> > is to > >> >> >> > say what resonable conclusions I may have made ten years ago, can > >> >> >> > be > >> >> >> > subject to change. > > >> >> >> > Of course there are also conditions that apply to our reasoning, I > >> >> >> > may > >> >> >> > never have a larger than avarage IQ, for example. > > >> >> >> > On Mar 2, 2:04 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> >> Lee why do you choose to believe in free will whereas I in > >> >> >> >> bondage? It > >> >> >> >> is because our beliefs and reasoning is different. Free will > >> >> >> >> appears > >> >> >> >> logical to you whereas to me it does not. Our reasoning is at > >> >> >> >> loggerheads because our reasoning faculties and experience is > >> >> >> >> different. We are bound by our reason , and this itself is > >> >> >> >> bondage. > >> >> >> >> Where is your free choice then? > > >> >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 6:56 PM, [email protected] > > >> >> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> >> > Sorry RP I can't get with that at all, as you well know by now. > > >> >> >> >> > A persons nature is not static but moves as the person does. > >> >> >> >> > It is > >> >> >> >> > possible to shake of the products of an 'early envirmonent', > >> >> >> >> > hence we > >> >> >> >> > have so many atheists from religious households. > > >> >> >> >> > Do we all act within the scope of Gods will? > > >> >> >> >> > If this is true then no religous text would contain no words of > >> >> >> >> > punishment for denying Gods will. They do though, it is clear > >> >> >> >> > then > >> >> >> >> > that we have a choice to obey or not the will of God. There is > >> >> >> >> > a > >> >> >> >> > prayer prevalent in more than one of the worlds religions that > >> >> >> >> > runs > >> >> >> >> > basicly 'not my will ohh lord but yours' > > >> >> >> >> > What is the meaning of this? > > >> >> >> >> > Does it admit that there is one will and that is Gods, or does > >> >> >> >> > it beg > >> >> >> >> > God grant me the strenght to obey not my will but yours? > > >> >> >> >> > I would obviously plump for the latter. > > >> >> >> >> > What is religious dogma if not a list of things designed to get > >> >> >> >> > one to > >> >> >> >> > God? Why the need for it, if all was Gods will anyway? > > >> >> >> >> > On Mar 1, 1:14 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> When a person thinks or acts he does so as if he were the > >> >> >> >> >> master of > >> >> >> >> >> his will but in fact unknown to him various forces within > >> >> >> >> >> himself are > >> >> >> >> >> taking him along as a current takes along a boat in turbulent > >> >> >> >> >> waters. > >> >> >> >> >> Most of the times a man's motives are hidden to him , he acts > >> >> >> >> >> ostensibly for some reasons whereas the real motives lie in his > >> >> >> >> >> unconscious. This has been dealt in various books of > >> >> >> >> >> psychology. If > >> >> >> >> >> you act according to your nature that nature was given to you > >> >> >> >> >> by the > >> >> >> >> >> Almighty in the form of your genes and early environment , and > >> >> >> >> >> so > >> >> >> >> >> whatever you do it is not your but God's doing. > > >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 5:39 PM, [email protected] > > >> >> >> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> > Is that true though? Or is it better expresed thusly: > > >> >> >> >> >> > My nature has been created by both internal and external > >> >> >> >> >> > influences > >> >> >> >> >> > yet is still my nature, and thus is me? > > >> >> >> >> >> > What is the differance between a persons nature and a > >> >> >> >> >> > person? Is not > >> >> >> >> >> > the nature of the man, the man himself? > > >> >> >> >> >> > On Feb 28, 5:31 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> My nature consists of the forces within me which bind my > >> >> >> >> >> >> freedom of > >> >> >> >> >> >> will. In that context it can be said that your nature is > >> >> >> >> >> >> separate from > >> >> >> >> >> >> you. > > >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 10:32 PM, > >> >> >> >> >> >> [email protected] > > >> >> >> >> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> > And you and your nature is seperate? > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Feb 27, 3:20 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Whether you adapt or you revolt , in either case it is > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> not you but > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> your nature which makes the choice. > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 7:06 PM, rigsy03 > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Adaption may be phoney/false in order to > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > survive/prosper/get along. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Afterall, a child is controlled in beliefs and > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > behaviors by his > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > parents. The child cannot even change its name unless > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > it goes to > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > court- even marriage only changes the last name. (I > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > was named to match > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > family monograms on linens, silver and as a bone > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > tossed to my father's > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ego and my mother's determination to establish a stake > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > in a failing > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > marriage.) The brain is > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
