Perhaps an "afterlife" dwells in memory/history. I do think religion and various governing/economic policies have divided mankind in a negative manner. It has created an "us versus them" mentality. Eventually, science will discover some secret as to the cause of all life- perhaps on the cellular level/a Charlie Rose program last night- but what will be the impact or use- for good or ill?
I have been thinking that the early alpha male eventually realized his limitations- especially in regards to Nature- and began to devise god(s) and laws to get off off the hook. This would explain superstition and folk wisdom/mores- but I haven't figured that out completely :-). Maybe females turned to the latter or it was imposed on them- they certainly were at a disadvatage because of their physiology/child bearing. Has this really changed in our so-called sophisticated world? There is so much baloney in the media, it's ridiculous. Yes- illnesses and defects in a child are cruel but so are poverty, terrible parents, etc. It's an early test of survival skills for many yet there are advantaged children who later fall apart, as well. And early poor nutrition has a huge impact on the physical and mental faculties. Producing a child is one thing, parenting a child is another. Didn't Einstein say God was not malicious? What about mankind? We are still trying to cope with the destructive nature of weapons and warfare. And, as in other revolutions, a new ruling class scrambles up the ladder with the same problems of misrule, graft and corruption so I am not that enchanted with what is going on in the Middle East and could take place in Asia. It may boil down to Obama's "spreading the money around" theory afterall. Socialism/Communism is like grand theft! I believe in a force that I pray to and swear at. I have no idea/ evidence of what it is, exactly. I respect Nature and can observe its beauty and power- I sometimes pray/swear to it, as well. On Mar 5, 3:44 am, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > This body is made of the five elements -- fire , air , water , earth , > ether , mind , understanding and self-sense. This is the lower nature > and the higher is Atman , which is unborn , indestructible and > indivisible. Atman is the same in all creatures and is Brahman or > God. When a person dies the elements go to the elements and self-sense > becomes one with Atman. > This is my belief as I don't see the necessity of an after-life when > everything , feeling , thought or action is predetermined. Whatever > good we do in this world should have a humanitarian and compassionate > ground and not a religious one. > I know all this sounds a bit atheistic , but I believe in God and Nature. > > On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 9:56 AM, ornamentalmind > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > "...I don't think a child who becomes affected by polio had > > really done anything at that tender age to get such a disability." - > > RP > > > Apparently you do not embrace reincarnation RP. > > > On Mar 4, 5:33 am, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > >> There is much to be unhappy about in this world and much to be desired > >> from God , and yet you have to accept your desserts whether you like > >> it or not. I don't think a child who becomes affected by polio had > >> really done anything at that tender age to get such a disability. > > >> On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 6:19 PM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > Are savages also the result of the Cosmic Will or is predator/prey > >> > built into human/animal nature by Nature? The cannibals think they are > >> > normal, afterall. :-) > > >> > On Mar 4, 6:33 am, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> We must keep on searching to find the answers, Rigsy, but the fact > >> >> remains that it is the Cosmic Will which is at work and in an orderly > >> >> manner so that we can discover laws and patterns.' Why' is a big > >> >> question and ultimately Creation itself has no reason except being a > >> >> product of God's Will. > > >> >> On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 5:48 PM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > I would like to see you apply this to a soldier who kills and a > >> >> > murderer at large. Society encourages/trains one and incarcerates the > >> >> > other. (One could also compare a elegant swindler and a thief.) > > >> >> > How do you define normal and rational? Who sets the values? > > >> >> > It has been said that one's emotional nature is set at about age seven > >> >> > and the brain by mid-twenties. How does this figure into one's > >> >> > "nature"? > > >> >> > Is a controlled nature authentic or fake? (A deranged addict vs. a > >> >> > calmed highly medicated fuzzy-wuzzy, for instance.) > > >> >> > Is it possible to have several natures within one being- expressed or > >> >> > repressed based on circumstances or opportunities? Is this fraudulent > >> >> > or the human condition/frustration. > > >> >> > What do you think really drives humans leaving out religion and social > >> >> > expectations- power, money or sex? Or is the drive to virtue and > >> >> > excellence intrinsic or learned? Why? > > >> >> > On Mar 3, 8:44 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> A madman is dancing around the streets , his actions and thoughts are > >> >> >> bizarre but whatever he is doing it is with free will. He is given > >> >> >> medicines over a period of time and is not interfered with in any > >> >> >> other manner. Over a period of time his actions and thoughts become > >> >> >> normal , where is your free will , Lee? Actions and thoughts are made > >> >> >> rational with medicines , in other words thoughts and actions can be > >> >> >> controlled with physical or chemical administrations. In other words > >> >> >> the will is not free but controlled from within and outside the > >> >> >> organism , and from within in the sense that your very nature comes > >> >> >> into play. > > >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 10:43 PM, [email protected] > > >> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> > Again my friend I agree, man sure does interpret scripturein a > >> >> >> > biased > >> >> >> > manner. > > >> >> >> > Again I don't argue against determinisim, but I question the level > >> >> >> > of > >> >> >> > effect it has on rational, thinking beings, and I alo simply do not > >> >> >> > belive choice within a limitted scope is not free. > > >> >> >> > As I say I may wish to fly unadied by machines, but cannot due to > >> >> >> > the > >> >> >> > confineds of my body, however I can still fly if that is my wish. > >> >> >> > My > >> >> >> > choice may be restricted, but it is still ther for me to make. > > >> >> >> > Choice. > > >> >> >> > We make many choices everyday. Either do A or do not do A. The > >> >> >> > fact > >> >> >> > that my choice is limited to one of these does not negate the fact > >> >> >> > that I can still make that choice. > > >> >> >> > Undoubedlty you may question, what in my past has determined what > >> >> >> > my > >> >> >> > choice may be, unknownst to me, in my subcociouse. I say such a > >> >> >> > belife is grounded in the very act of beliefe itself. > > >> >> >> > Unless one can point to all that you say may determine choice > >> >> >> > then to > >> >> >> > take the stance of determinism based upon this is at best an > >> >> >> > educated > >> >> >> > guess, and at worst unsubstanciated belife. > > >> >> >> > On Mar 3, 4:52 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> >> Man interprets the Scriptures in a biased manner , but if you look > >> >> >> >> closely and take into account diverse verses you will find that > >> >> >> >> the > >> >> >> >> meaning is quite clear. Science is so advanced now that the laws > >> >> >> >> of > >> >> >> >> biology , genetics , psychology etc. give credence to the faith in > >> >> >> >> determinism. You say there are conditions, but I see conditions > >> >> >> >> within > >> >> >> >> conditions. > > >> >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 10:04 PM, [email protected] > > >> >> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> >> > Quite poetic really RP. > > >> >> >> >> > I can't help but wonder how many ways this passage could be > >> >> >> >> > interpreted though. That addition of the word heart makes me > >> >> >> >> > think > >> >> >> >> > automaticly that the power of love can move anything. > > >> >> >> >> > Does this really suggest then God literaly controls us, or > >> >> >> >> > indeed our > >> >> >> >> > movments, or could it perhaps suggest that Gods love moves the > >> >> >> >> > hearts > >> >> >> >> > of man? > > >> >> >> >> > On Mar 3, 3:35 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> I am quoting a verse from the last chapter of the Bhagvadagita > >> >> >> >> >> :- > >> >> >> >> >> The Lord abides in the hearts of all beings , Oh Arjuna , > >> >> >> >> >> causing them > >> >> >> >> >> to move around by His power as if they were mounted on a > >> >> >> >> >> machine. > > >> >> >> >> >> You will find similar verses in other Scriptures as well if > >> >> >> >> >> you take > >> >> >> >> >> the trouble to look. > > >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 7:16 PM, [email protected] > > >> >> >> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> > I think you are correct in some aspects RP. I would call > >> >> >> >> >> > what you > >> >> >> >> >> > call bondage by a differant name. > > >> >> >> >> >> > I would name it condition. If your argument is that ther is > >> >> >> >> >> > no > >> >> >> >> >> > unfettered freedom, that all is dependant on other things > >> >> >> >> >> > then you'll > >> >> >> >> >> > get no argument from me. > > >> >> >> >> >> > Everything is conditional. I might like to fly unaided by > >> >> >> >> >> > mechanics, > >> >> >> >> >> > but I simply cannot. This is a condition of my body, and my > >> >> >> >> >> > species. > > >> >> >> >> >> > Reason, human reason like much else about us is not static, > >> >> >> >> >> > that is to > >> >> >> >> >> > say what resonable conclusions I may have made ten years > >> >> >> >> >> > ago, can be > >> >> >> >> >> > subject to change. > > >> >> >> >> >> > Of course there are also conditions that apply to our > >> >> >> >> >> > reasoning, I may > >> >> >> >> >> > never have a larger than avarage IQ, for example. > > >> >> >> >> >> > On Mar 2, 2:04 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> Lee why do you choose to believe in free will whereas I in > >> >> >> >> >> >> bondage? It > >> >> >> >> >> >> is because our beliefs and reasoning is different. Free > >> >> >> >> >> >> will appears > >> >> >> >> >> >> logical to you whereas to me it does not. Our reasoning is > >> >> >> >> >> >> at > >> >> >> >> >> >> loggerheads because our reasoning faculties and experience > >> >> >> >> >> >> is > >> >> >> >> >> >> different. We are bound by our reason , and this itself is > >> >> >> >> >> >> bondage. > >> >> >> >> >> >> Where is your free choice then? > > >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 6:56 PM, [email protected] > > >> >> >> >> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Sorry RP I can't get with that at all, as you well know > >> >> >> >> >> >> > by now. > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > A persons nature is not static but moves as the person > >> >> >> >> >> >> > does. It is > >> >> >> >> >> >> > possible to shake of the products of an 'early > >> >> >> >> >> >> > envirmonent', hence we > >> >> >> >> >> >> > have so many atheists from religious households. > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Do we all act within the scope of Gods will? > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > If this is true then no religous text would contain no > >> >> >> >> >> >> > words of > >> >> >> >> >> >> > punishment for denying Gods will. They do though, it is > >> >> >> >> >> >> > clear then > >> >> >> >> >> >> > that we have a choice to obey or not the will of God. > >> >> >> >> >> >> > There is a > >> >> >> >> >> >> > prayer prevalent in more than one of the worlds religions > >> >> >> >> >> >> > that runs > >> >> >> >> >> >> > basicly 'not my will ohh lord but yours' > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > What is the meaning of this? > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Does it admit that there is one will and that is Gods, or > >> >> >> >> >> >> > does it beg > >> >> >> >> >> >> > God grant me the strenght to obey not my will but yours? > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > I would obviously plump for the latter. > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > What is religious dogma if not a list of things designed > >> >> >> >> >> >> > to get one to > >> >> >> >> >> >> > God? Why the need for it, if all was Gods will anyway? > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Mar 1, 1:14 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> When a person thinks or acts he does so as if he were > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> the master of > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> his will but in fact unknown to him various forces > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> within himself are > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> taking him along as a current takes along a boat in > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> turbulent > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
