On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 2:35 PM, Pat <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > On Mar 12, 7:46 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > Contrary to RP's Illusion theory Life is very real and there are guide > post > > that are set in place by the Creator to guide us back to him. All though > > they are often time ignored that does not erase them. Every one has free > > will and free choice. Life is not a preplanned path by God, that is what > is > > put forth by people who simply do not want to take responsibility > > for their actions. > > > > Dear, dear, dear. The illusion of reality is what is real for us. It > is only illusory from the 'big picture' angle. It's like the > difference between watching a film and being in it. In our case, > we're in it. Space-time is the film on the reel and the entire film > from Big Bang to Apocalypse IS the film. We're actors in the film and > will play the parts we've been given and we will play them perfectly. > God's the producer and the director, so I have faith that the film is > the best film available. For the actors in a film, the action is real > for them and, in just such a way, our reality is real for us. The > frame-speed for this film is at the Planck-time (that's the time it > takes the speed of light to cross the Planck-length). In every way, > this is a perfect analogy. > > Special Relativity has been proven empirically and is not compatible > with ACTUAL free will. It is, though, perfectly compatible with an > inescapable illusion that is, for all intents and purposes, just as > good as actual free will. The difference is that, with Special > Relativity, God is able to maintain omnipotence. People ARE, as you > say, completely responsible for their actions;but, that is purely down > to the fact that they don't know what they WILL do and have time to > speculate about the possibilities prior to acting. Without both of > those factors, the illusion would be seen for what it was. But, thank > God we're veiled to the future or life would be unbearable; equally, > thank God we have that time to think before we act or we would surely > act unreasonably most of the time. > > Preplanning space-time is a fact OF space-time, Allan. Do you not > think that God knows best? I'm sure of it. If I felt I knew better > than God, then I'd be certifiable. > > > Everyone is accountable. > > guess I have to admit to that one Pat.. bad mistake > Absolutely! So...who's responsible for the Japanese earthquake? I > promise that I didn't do it intentionally; but, I share in the > responsibility because I existed in space-time during the incident. > No one is to blame, but we all contributed. If you think I'm kidding, > I'm not. The universe is THAT connected. > Allan > > > Allan > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 4:28 PM, Mardi <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On Mar 9, 10:13 am, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > There is only one ' will ' and that is of the Creator , what we are > > > > all doing is following that ' will '. God has made Nature in such a > > > > subtle way that there appear to be so many free individualities but > in > > > > reality Freedom is just an ' illusion '. > > > > > RP, I understand your statement. But how do you understand the > > > distinction between the eternal divine spirit (atman) which is one > > > with eternal truth and therefore, of course, a pure expression of > > > "God's will" and the other "self" which we all experience as ourself > > > and which is our active agent in this world of illusion. So let us > > > grant that this world is an illusion and our perceived self is an > > > illusion. So it doesn't matter if freedom is an illusion - everything > > > is an illusion so in this context our illusory self in this illusory > > > world we still have illusory freedom of choice!! We don't live in the > > > consciousness of the absolute unlimited Reality. We live in this world > > > - unless some of us have attained realization!! So we're all playing > > > roles. But they are not roles set by God. They are roles that are the > > > result of our past choices, actions, and connections. We've created > > > these roles for ourselves; and we can choose to change those roles. > > > Yes, they are all role-playing, all illusion compared to the ultimate > > > Reality. But that's where we all are right now. This is the only > > > reality we are able to experience right now - unless, as I said, some > > > one of us is Realized already! > > > > -- > > ( > > ) > > I_D Allan > > > > If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken > > Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - -- ( ) I_D Allan If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
