On Mar 12, 7:46 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > Contrary to RP's Illusion theory Life is very real and there are guide post > that are set in place by the Creator to guide us back to him. All though > they are often time ignored that does not erase them. Every one has free > will and free choice. Life is not a preplanned path by God, that is what is > put forth by people who simply do not want to take responsibility > for their actions. >
Dear, dear, dear. The illusion of reality is what is real for us. It is only illusory from the 'big picture' angle. It's like the difference between watching a film and being in it. In our case, we're in it. Space-time is the film on the reel and the entire film from Big Bang to Apocalypse IS the film. We're actors in the film and will play the parts we've been given and we will play them perfectly. God's the producer and the director, so I have faith that the film is the best film available. For the actors in a film, the action is real for them and, in just such a way, our reality is real for us. The frame-speed for this film is at the Planck-time (that's the time it takes the speed of light to cross the Planck-length). In every way, this is a perfect analogy. Special Relativity has been proven empirically and is not compatible with ACTUAL free will. It is, though, perfectly compatible with an inescapable illusion that is, for all intents and purposes, just as good as actual free will. The difference is that, with Special Relativity, God is able to maintain omnipotence. People ARE, as you say, completely responsible for their actions;but, that is purely down to the fact that they don't know what they WILL do and have time to speculate about the possibilities prior to acting. Without both of those factors, the illusion would be seen for what it was. But, thank God we're veiled to the future or life would be unbearable; equally, thank God we have that time to think before we act or we would surely act unreasonably most of the time. Preplanning space-time is a fact OF space-time, Allan. Do you not think that God knows best? I'm sure of it. If I felt I knew better than God, then I'd be certifiable. > Everyone is accountable. Absolutely! So...who's responsible for the Japanese earthquake? I promise that I didn't do it intentionally; but, I share in the responsibility because I existed in space-time during the incident. No one is to blame, but we all contributed. If you think I'm kidding, I'm not. The universe is THAT connected. > Allan > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 4:28 PM, Mardi <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On Mar 9, 10:13 am, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > > There is only one ' will ' and that is of the Creator , what we are > > > all doing is following that ' will '. God has made Nature in such a > > > subtle way that there appear to be so many free individualities but in > > > reality Freedom is just an ' illusion '. > > > RP, I understand your statement. But how do you understand the > > distinction between the eternal divine spirit (atman) which is one > > with eternal truth and therefore, of course, a pure expression of > > "God's will" and the other "self" which we all experience as ourself > > and which is our active agent in this world of illusion. So let us > > grant that this world is an illusion and our perceived self is an > > illusion. So it doesn't matter if freedom is an illusion - everything > > is an illusion so in this context our illusory self in this illusory > > world we still have illusory freedom of choice!! We don't live in the > > consciousness of the absolute unlimited Reality. We live in this world > > - unless some of us have attained realization!! So we're all playing > > roles. But they are not roles set by God. They are roles that are the > > result of our past choices, actions, and connections. We've created > > these roles for ourselves; and we can choose to change those roles. > > Yes, they are all role-playing, all illusion compared to the ultimate > > Reality. But that's where we all are right now. This is the only > > reality we are able to experience right now - unless, as I said, some > > one of us is Realized already! > > -- > ( > ) > I_D Allan > > If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken > Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
