PSK, the notion of feeling empowered *IF* associated with actual being/
will, is innate. Such an experience one either is aware of or asleep
to along with differing levels of perception.

Conditions?...it can make a difference; however, the same setting for
different people will often result in different levels of awareness of
will so as I see it, other factors are of more importance.

On Mar 9, 2:45 am, "pol.science kid" <[email protected]> wrote:
> As you say....the modes are both only different methods of percieving
> perhaps....what i want to know orn...is when does an individual feel
> empowered....an individual...a will...an active will....what attributes to
> it...what conditions...is it more likely in a certain setting.....i hope i
> make sense
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> On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 5:09 PM, ornamentalmind
> <[email protected]>wrote:
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> > “i guess ..i meant a secular rather than a religious or theological
> > mode of
> > understanding things...the world.... “ – PSK
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> > Well, that does point towards an area of your beliefs so thanks for
> > this much. Perhaps you could be even more specific?
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> > As far as I’ve found out…reviewing human thought over the ages,…
> > secular and religious views often are at the very least intertwined.
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> > On the other hand, perhaps you are being much more literal when you
> > use the notion of “…mode of understanding things…”. If this is the
> > case, a more specific unpacking of what the two apparently (to you)
> > different modes would be of value, OK?
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> > I’ll suspend judgment until I hear more.
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> > On Mar 7, 3:01 am, "pol.science kid" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > i guess ..i meant a secular rather than a religious or theological mode
> > of
> > > understanding things...the world....
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> > > On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 4:21 PM, ornamentalmind
> > > <[email protected]>wrote:
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> > > > “…revolution in knowledge and philosophy…” – PSK ???
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> > > > To continue the discussion, one would need to know what you mean here.
> > > > Would you unpack it a bit?
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> > > > Before actually knowing what you mean, I see little if any
> > > > ‘revolution’ in this context. Yes, there is a process of change in
> > > > thought over the millennia yet such general ‘change’ doesn’t mean a
> > > > progression towards a more accurate view. Case in point – you are
> > > > apparently using the dialectical view of one view being in
> > > > contradiction with another. While many do apprehend in this way, in no
> > > > way is that an indicator of the accuracy of such a view.
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> > > > As best as I can see, both can be known consubstantially.
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> > > > On Mar 7, 2:25 am, "pol.science kid" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > I was thinking .... i agree with what yuo guys say ....could it also
> > be
> > > > the
> > > > > revolution in knowledge and philosophy...when it was
> > questioned....what
> > > > > can an INdividual know.....it kind of pitts one against the whole in
> > this
> > > > > struggle to know...or salvation through knowledge...what say....
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> > > > > On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 9:01 PM, pol.science kid <
> > [email protected]
> > > > >wrote:
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> > > > > > True we have come a long way..and the word has been taken for
> > > > > > granted....but i would like an opinion of each one of you ...on the
> > > > > > Sanctity of Freedom.... it is also my casual inference
> > > > > > that....individuality ...the  modern obsession with it....how come
> > > > > > some primitive tribes...hold the community at a level above the
> > > > > > individual....while it is not quite so in our 'modernised'...or
> > rather
> > > > > > westernised world.....are there concepts of radicalised
> > individuality
> > > > > > in the oriental philosophy..... need your opoinions fellows
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> > > > > \--/ Peace
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> > > \--/ Peace
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