It is not a question of becoming one with God. " I " as a self-sense is an illusion whereas God is the reality. When a person dies the self-sense just vanishes and the One Spirit which is there all the time , unborn and indestructible , continues to shine.
On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 5:56 PM, the taoist shaman <[email protected]> wrote: > RP - do u then belive that when u die u will become one with god , > like 2 ice cubes melting next to eachother become one puddle ? u will > have no '' self '' at all ? > > > > gabbydott wrote: >> I know it isn't. This was a distractor from the preceeding "they are telling >> you to find", which I thereby criticized. >> >> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 1:02 PM, [email protected] < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> > Rise back to Godstate? >> > >> > That is not my belife Gabs, rather shed ourselves of the illusion that >> > we are seperated from God. As I often say God is immenent throughout >> > the creation, there exist not one iota of matter that is not imbued >> > with the spirit of God. >> > >> > On May 26, 6:31 pm, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > > Same idea differant words. >> > > >> > > Hahaha, that's exactly the trick. That's when God falls to become >> > Lucifer. >> > > It's the finding that they are telling you you need to do in order to >> > rise >> > > back to Godstate. This is not what I understand RP says. >> > > >> > > On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 1:06 PM, [email protected] < >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > [email protected]> wrote: >> > > > As I say I fail to see the differance between putting this way, or >> > > > RP's way or my way. Same idea differant words. >> > > >> > > > RP says that God is imminent but this does not mean that I am God, and >> > > > I agree with him, but I'm sure he'll agree that without finding God >> > > > within, you stand no chance in finding God without. >> > > >> > > > It is a bold statement, but I honestly do try to see God in all >> > > > things, yep me included, and you too. >> > > >> > > > Haha but of course it is hard to find God in some people. >> > > >> > > > On May 26, 10:46 am, the taoist shaman <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > >> lee , o.r. , i think iknow what r.p. is getting at , forget the >> > > >> ocean , think of the stars , many different stars ( white red blue >> > > >> giant dwarf ect ) even the similar stars are different from each >> > > >> other , but they are part of the same whole , the galaxy , and though >> > > >> each galaxy is similar , and yet different , they are part of the same >> > > >> whole , the universe ....... if i were a glass of water id be a square >> > > >> glass with dull edges , ha ... ha .... :[ >> > > >> > > >> [email protected] wrote: >> > > >> > I fail to see the differance? >> > > >> > > >> > On May 26, 7:59 am, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > >> > > Instead of considering ourselves to be parts of the Whole , it >> > would >> > > >> > > be better in my opinion to consider ourselves differing images of >> > the >> > > >> > > Absolute in vessels of differing make and shape. Water in many >> > > vessels >> > > >> > > of differing sizes and shapes in a ocean is the same , but it is >> > not >> > > a >> > > >> > > part of the ocean --it is actually the ocean. The illusion is the >> > > >> > > vessel and not the water. >> > > >> > > >> > > On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 10:53 AM, ornamentalmind >> > > >> > > >> > > <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > >> > > > While I greatly appreciate emanationism on many levels, to >> > ignore >> > > the >> > > >> > > > consubstantial aspect of ‘the many’ simply ignores the >> > experience >> > > of >> > > >> > > > many humans. We have the ability to think and by thinking break >> > > down >> > > >> > > > ‘the one’ into its component parts (as a thought, not an >> > > actuality). >> > > >> > > >> > > >http://www.iep.utm.edu/emanatio/ >> > > >> > > >> > > > On May 25, 8:50 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > >> > > >> If we think that we are part of the " Whole " we are sort of >> > > dividing >> > > >> > > >> up God. He then is no longer an entity but a composite of >> > parts. >> > > The >> > > >> > > >> truth is that we are not parts but emanations which make His >> > > existence >> > > >> > > >> identifiable to our understanding. >> > > >> > > >> The reflection of the sun is a proof of the sun ;similarly the >> > > world >> > > >> > > >> is a proof of the Self. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Ash <[email protected]> >> > wrote: >> > > >> > > >> > "Our consciousness makes us think that we are special , far >> > > removed from >> > > >> > > >> > matter , but in reality we are mortal and it is the One >> > Spirit >> > > in all that >> > > >> > > >> > is immortal. " >> > > >> > > >> > I don't think that this must necessarily be the whole truth. >> > > What if one >> > > >> > > >> > sees that all things are a part of the whole, that is the >> > world >> > > and/or >> > > >> > > >> > nature's way, and we perceive diverse phenomena by our >> > natures >> > > inextricably? >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > I find it interesting that you would say the reflection of >> > the >> > > sun in a >> > > >> > > >> > puddle is not the sun, what else is the sun but the forces of >> > > nature which >> > > >> > > >> > are the same as in the puddle? Our focus may be pointed at a >> > > less brilliant >> > > >> > > >> > and direct portion in comparison to the sun but it is shining >> > > through >> > > >> > > >> > nonetheless in everything if you know how or where to look. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > On 5/19/2011 10:04 AM, RP Singh wrote: >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >> It is not a matter of perspective but the very nature of >> > > things. The >> > > >> > > >> >> world is dualistic by nature and God is Non-Dual.The world >> > > changes >> > > >> > > >> >> over time and is never in a constant state , whereas God >> > > remains the >> > > >> > > >> >> same always and is unborn , primeaval and >> > indestructible--the >> > > same >> > > >> > > >> >> cannot be said of the world. It is so easy to say that I am >> > the >> > > One , >> > > >> > > >> >> but when a needle pricks you you grimace , how can you be >> > the " >> > > One " >> > > >> > > >> >> when you feel pleasure and pain , happy and depressed. Our >> > > >> > > >> >> consciousness makes us think that we are special , far >> > removed >> > > from >> > > >> > > >> >> matter , but in reality we are mortal and it is the One >> > Spirit >> > > in all >> > > >> > > >> >> that is immortal. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >> On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 4:39 PM, Molly<[email protected]> >> > > wrote: >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >>> How is it possible, from a non dual perspective, to >> > perceive >> > > the world >> > > >> > > >> >>> as dualistic in nature, and thus an illusion (and separate >> > > from >> > > >> > > >> >>> self)? By definition, this view would remain dualistic. I >> > do >> > > think it >> > > >> > > >> >>> true that how we view the world forms our experience. From >> > a >> > > >> > > >> >>> dualistic view, some are right, some are wrong. From a non >> > > dual view, >> > > >> > > >> >>> all views are the One/many paradox that is One. How we >> > view >> > > (and >> > > >> > > >> >>> experience) birth and death changes as we change. From a >> > non >> > > dual >> > > >> > > >> >>> perspective, they are only states of transformation and not >> > a >> > > >> > > >> >>> beginning or end. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >>> On May 17, 2:07 pm, RP Singh<[email protected]> wrote: >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >>>> In duality there is the relationship of the observer and >> > the >> > > observed >> > > >> > > >> >>>> , the knower and the known , that is , there are two. In >> > > Non-Duality >> > > >> > > >> >>>> there is only One and the world which is dualistic in >> > nature >> > > , remains >> > > >> > > >> >>>> what it is , just an illusion - i.e. subject to birth and >> > > death. 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