Interesting, my friend with current heart problems described people's behaviour in almost the same way today: their fluidness makes you drown.
On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 2:26 PM, the taoist shaman <[email protected]>wrote: > RP - do u then belive that when u die u will become one with god , > like 2 ice cubes melting next to eachother become one puddle ? u will > have no '' self '' at all ? > > > > gabbydott wrote: > > I know it isn't. This was a distractor from the preceeding "they are > telling > > you to find", which I thereby criticized. > > > > On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 1:02 PM, [email protected] < > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Rise back to Godstate? > > > > > > That is not my belife Gabs, rather shed ourselves of the illusion that > > > we are seperated from God. As I often say God is immenent throughout > > > the creation, there exist not one iota of matter that is not imbued > > > with the spirit of God. > > > > > > On May 26, 6:31 pm, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Same idea differant words. > > > > > > > > Hahaha, that's exactly the trick. That's when God falls to become > > > Lucifer. > > > > It's the finding that they are telling you you need to do in order to > > > rise > > > > back to Godstate. This is not what I understand RP says. > > > > > > > > On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 1:06 PM, [email protected] < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > As I say I fail to see the differance between putting this way, or > > > > > RP's way or my way. Same idea differant words. > > > > > > > > > RP says that God is imminent but this does not mean that I am God, > and > > > > > I agree with him, but I'm sure he'll agree that without finding God > > > > > within, you stand no chance in finding God without. > > > > > > > > > It is a bold statement, but I honestly do try to see God in all > > > > > things, yep me included, and you too. > > > > > > > > > Haha but of course it is hard to find God in some people. > > > > > > > > > On May 26, 10:46 am, the taoist shaman <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> lee , o.r. , i think iknow what r.p. is getting at , forget the > > > > >> ocean , think of the stars , many different stars ( white red blue > > > > >> giant dwarf ect ) even the similar stars are different from each > > > > >> other , but they are part of the same whole , the galaxy , and > though > > > > >> each galaxy is similar , and yet different , they are part of the > same > > > > >> whole , the universe ....... if i were a glass of water id be a > square > > > > >> glass with dull edges , ha ... ha .... :[ > > > > > > > > >> [email protected] wrote: > > > > >> > I fail to see the differance? > > > > > > > > >> > On May 26, 7:59 am, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> > > Instead of considering ourselves to be parts of the Whole , it > > > would > > > > >> > > be better in my opinion to consider ourselves differing images > of > > > the > > > > >> > > Absolute in vessels of differing make and shape. Water in many > > > > vessels > > > > >> > > of differing sizes and shapes in a ocean is the same , but it > is > > > not > > > > a > > > > >> > > part of the ocean --it is actually the ocean. The illusion is > the > > > > >> > > vessel and not the water. > > > > > > > > >> > > On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 10:53 AM, ornamentalmind > > > > > > > > >> > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> > > > While I greatly appreciate emanationism on many levels, to > > > ignore > > > > the > > > > >> > > > consubstantial aspect of ‘the many’ simply ignores the > > > experience > > > > of > > > > >> > > > many humans. We have the ability to think and by thinking > break > > > > down > > > > >> > > > ‘the one’ into its component parts (as a thought, not an > > > > actuality). > > > > > > > > >> > > >http://www.iep.utm.edu/emanatio/ > > > > > > > > >> > > > On May 25, 8:50 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> > > >> If we think that we are part of the " Whole " we are sort > of > > > > dividing > > > > >> > > >> up God. He then is no longer an entity but a composite of > > > parts. > > > > The > > > > >> > > >> truth is that we are not parts but emanations which make > His > > > > existence > > > > >> > > >> identifiable to our understanding. > > > > >> > > >> The reflection of the sun is a proof of the sun ;similarly > the > > > > world > > > > >> > > >> is a proof of the Self. > > > > > > > > >> > > >> On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Ash <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > >> > > >> > "Our consciousness makes us think that we are special , > far > > > > removed from > > > > >> > > >> > matter , but in reality we are mortal and it is the One > > > Spirit > > > > in all that > > > > >> > > >> > is immortal. " > > > > >> > > >> > I don't think that this must necessarily be the whole > truth. > > > > What if one > > > > >> > > >> > sees that all things are a part of the whole, that is the > > > world > > > > and/or > > > > >> > > >> > nature's way, and we perceive diverse phenomena by our > > > natures > > > > inextricably? > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > I find it interesting that you would say the reflection > of > > > the > > > > sun in a > > > > >> > > >> > puddle is not the sun, what else is the sun but the > forces of > > > > nature which > > > > >> > > >> > are the same as in the puddle? Our focus may be pointed > at a > > > > less brilliant > > > > >> > > >> > and direct portion in comparison to the sun but it is > shining > > > > through > > > > >> > > >> > nonetheless in everything if you know how or where to > look. > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > On 5/19/2011 10:04 AM, RP Singh wrote: > > > > > > > > >> > > >> >> It is not a matter of perspective but the very nature of > > > > things. The > > > > >> > > >> >> world is dualistic by nature and God is Non-Dual.The > world > > > > changes > > > > >> > > >> >> over time and is never in a constant state , whereas God > > > > remains the > > > > >> > > >> >> same always and is unborn , primeaval and > > > indestructible--the > > > > same > > > > >> > > >> >> cannot be said of the world. It is so easy to say that I > am > > > the > > > > One , > > > > >> > > >> >> but when a needle pricks you you grimace , how can you > be > > > the " > > > > One " > > > > >> > > >> >> when you feel pleasure and pain , happy and depressed. > Our > > > > >> > > >> >> consciousness makes us think that we are special , far > > > removed > > > > from > > > > >> > > >> >> matter , but in reality we are mortal and it is the One > > > Spirit > > > > in all > > > > >> > > >> >> that is immortal. > > > > > > > > >> > > >> >> On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 4:39 PM, Molly< > [email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > >> > > >> >>> How is it possible, from a non dual perspective, to > > > perceive > > > > the world > > > > >> > > >> >>> as dualistic in nature, and thus an illusion (and > separate > > > > from > > > > >> > > >> >>> self)? By definition, this view would remain > dualistic. I > > > do > > > > think it > > > > >> > > >> >>> true that how we view the world forms our experience. > From > > > a > > > > >> > > >> >>> dualistic view, some are right, some are wrong. From a > non > > > > dual view, > > > > >> > > >> >>> all views are the One/many paradox that is One. How we > > > view > > > > (and > > > > >> > > >> >>> experience) birth and death changes as we change. From > a > > > non > > > > dual > > > > >> > > >> >>> perspective, they are only states of transformation and > not > > > a > > > > >> > > >> >>> beginning or end. > > > > > > > > >> > > >> >>> On May 17, 2:07 pm, RP Singh<[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > >> > > >> >>>> In duality there is the relationship of the observer > and > > > the > > > > observed > > > > >> > > >> >>>> , the knower and the known , that is , there are two. > In > > > > Non-Duality > > > > >> > > >> >>>> there is only One and the world which is dualistic in > > > nature > > > > , remains > > > > >> > > >> >>>> what it is , just an illusion - i.e. subject to birth > and > > > > death. God > > > > >> > > >> >>>> ,Reality or Atman is Non-Dual and duality is just its > > > > > > > > expression.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > >> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > >
