RP- r u then saying that your current ''being'' is that of god with the illusion of ''self'' , and death is the removel of that illusion , .... would you then say that we are all incarnation's (as opposed to re incarnation ) my sp sucks) of god , and therefore there is no after life ? because god exists already , if self disappears , i disappear , and god is as he (she,they) was / were . if god is unchangable my disappearance of self would be irrelevant, i would then simply die , which would mean that my current self is the only state of being i would ever experience , which would mean that self is not an illusion , and that i am not the same entety as god, but rather one of his children .
like a parasite , that u feed and feed off of . was that paragraph spoken to poorly to make sence ? RP Singh wrote: > It is not a question of becoming one with God. " I " as a self-sense > is an illusion whereas God is the reality. When a person dies the > self-sense just vanishes and the One Spirit which is there all the > time , unborn and indestructible , continues to shine. > > On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 5:56 PM, the taoist shaman <[email protected]> wrote: > > RP - do u then belive that when u die u will become one with god , > > like 2 ice cubes melting next to eachother become one puddle ? u will > > have no '' self '' at all ? > > > > > > > > gabbydott wrote: > >> I know it isn't. This was a distractor from the preceeding "they are > >> telling > >> you to find", which I thereby criticized. > >> > >> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 1:02 PM, [email protected] < > >> [email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> > Rise back to Godstate? > >> > > >> > That is not my belife Gabs, rather shed ourselves of the illusion that > >> > we are seperated from God. As I often say God is immenent throughout > >> > the creation, there exist not one iota of matter that is not imbued > >> > with the spirit of God. > >> > > >> > On May 26, 6:31 pm, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > > Same idea differant words. > >> > > > >> > > Hahaha, that's exactly the trick. That's when God falls to become > >> > Lucifer. > >> > > It's the finding that they are telling you you need to do in order to > >> > rise > >> > > back to Godstate. This is not what I understand RP says. > >> > > > >> > > On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 1:06 PM, [email protected] < > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > [email protected]> wrote: > >> > > > As I say I fail to see the differance between putting this way, or > >> > > > RP's way or my way. Same idea differant words. > >> > > > >> > > > RP says that God is imminent but this does not mean that I am God, > >> > > > and > >> > > > I agree with him, but I'm sure he'll agree that without finding God > >> > > > within, you stand no chance in finding God without. > >> > > > >> > > > It is a bold statement, but I honestly do try to see God in all > >> > > > things, yep me included, and you too. > >> > > > >> > > > Haha but of course it is hard to find God in some people. > >> > > > >> > > > On May 26, 10:46 am, the taoist shaman <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > >> lee , o.r. , i think iknow what r.p. is getting at , forget the > >> > > >> ocean , think of the stars , many different stars ( white red blue > >> > > >> giant dwarf ect ) even the similar stars are different from each > >> > > >> other , but they are part of the same whole , the galaxy , and > >> > > >> though > >> > > >> each galaxy is similar , and yet different , they are part of the > >> > > >> same > >> > > >> whole , the universe ....... if i were a glass of water id be a > >> > > >> square > >> > > >> glass with dull edges , ha ... ha .... :[ > >> > > > >> > > >> [email protected] wrote: > >> > > >> > I fail to see the differance? > >> > > > >> > > >> > On May 26, 7:59 am, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > >> > > Instead of considering ourselves to be parts of the Whole , it > >> > would > >> > > >> > > be better in my opinion to consider ourselves differing images > >> > > >> > > of > >> > the > >> > > >> > > Absolute in vessels of differing make and shape. Water in many > >> > > vessels > >> > > >> > > of differing sizes and shapes in a ocean is the same , but it is > >> > not > >> > > a > >> > > >> > > part of the ocean --it is actually the ocean. The illusion is > >> > > >> > > the > >> > > >> > > vessel and not the water. > >> > > > >> > > >> > > On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 10:53 AM, ornamentalmind > >> > > > >> > > >> > > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > >> > > > While I greatly appreciate emanationism on many levels, to > >> > ignore > >> > > the > >> > > >> > > > consubstantial aspect of ‘the many’ simply ignores the > >> > experience > >> > > of > >> > > >> > > > many humans. We have the ability to think and by thinking > >> > > >> > > > break > >> > > down > >> > > >> > > > ‘the one’ into its component parts (as a thought, not an > >> > > actuality). > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >http://www.iep.utm.edu/emanatio/ > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > On May 25, 8:50 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> If we think that we are part of the " Whole " we are sort of > >> > > dividing > >> > > >> > > >> up God. He then is no longer an entity but a composite of > >> > parts. > >> > > The > >> > > >> > > >> truth is that we are not parts but emanations which make His > >> > > existence > >> > > >> > > >> identifiable to our understanding. > >> > > >> > > >> The reflection of the sun is a proof of the sun ;similarly > >> > > >> > > >> the > >> > > world > >> > > >> > > >> is a proof of the Self. > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Ash <[email protected]> > >> > wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> > "Our consciousness makes us think that we are special , far > >> > > removed from > >> > > >> > > >> > matter , but in reality we are mortal and it is the One > >> > Spirit > >> > > in all that > >> > > >> > > >> > is immortal. " > >> > > >> > > >> > I don't think that this must necessarily be the whole > >> > > >> > > >> > truth. > >> > > What if one > >> > > >> > > >> > sees that all things are a part of the whole, that is the > >> > world > >> > > and/or > >> > > >> > > >> > nature's way, and we perceive diverse phenomena by our > >> > natures > >> > > inextricably? > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > I find it interesting that you would say the reflection of > >> > the > >> > > sun in a > >> > > >> > > >> > puddle is not the sun, what else is the sun but the forces > >> > > >> > > >> > of > >> > > nature which > >> > > >> > > >> > are the same as in the puddle? Our focus may be pointed at > >> > > >> > > >> > a > >> > > less brilliant > >> > > >> > > >> > and direct portion in comparison to the sun but it is > >> > > >> > > >> > shining > >> > > through > >> > > >> > > >> > nonetheless in everything if you know how or where to look. > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > On 5/19/2011 10:04 AM, RP Singh wrote: > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> >> It is not a matter of perspective but the very nature of > >> > > things. The > >> > > >> > > >> >> world is dualistic by nature and God is Non-Dual.The world > >> > > changes > >> > > >> > > >> >> over time and is never in a constant state , whereas God > >> > > remains the > >> > > >> > > >> >> same always and is unborn , primeaval and > >> > indestructible--the > >> > > same > >> > > >> > > >> >> cannot be said of the world. It is so easy to say that I > >> > > >> > > >> >> am > >> > the > >> > > One , > >> > > >> > > >> >> but when a needle pricks you you grimace , how can you be > >> > the " > >> > > One " > >> > > >> > > >> >> when you feel pleasure and pain , happy and depressed. Our > >> > > >> > > >> >> consciousness makes us think that we are special , far > >> > removed > >> > > from > >> > > >> > > >> >> matter , but in reality we are mortal and it is the One > >> > Spirit > >> > > in all > >> > > >> > > >> >> that is immortal. > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> >> On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 4:39 PM, > >> > > >> > > >> >> Molly<[email protected]> > >> > > wrote: > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> >>> How is it possible, from a non dual perspective, to > >> > perceive > >> > > the world > >> > > >> > > >> >>> as dualistic in nature, and thus an illusion (and > >> > > >> > > >> >>> separate > >> > > from > >> > > >> > > >> >>> self)? By definition, this view would remain dualistic. > >> > > >> > > >> >>> I > >> > do > >> > > think it > >> > > >> > > >> >>> true that how we view the world forms our experience. > >> > > >> > > >> >>> From > >> > a > >> > > >> > > >> >>> dualistic view, some are right, some are wrong. From a > >> > > >> > > >> >>> non > >> > > dual view, > >> > > >> > > >> >>> all views are the One/many paradox that is One. How we > >> > view > >> > > (and > >> > > >> > > >> >>> experience) birth and death changes as we change. From a > >> > non > >> > > dual > >> > > >> > > >> >>> perspective, they are only states of transformation and > >> > > >> > > >> >>> not > >> > a > >> > > >> > > >> >>> beginning or end. > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> >>> On May 17, 2:07 pm, RP Singh<[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> >>>> In duality there is the relationship of the observer and > >> > the > >> > > observed > >> > > >> > > >> >>>> , the knower and the known , that is , there are two. In > >> > > Non-Duality > >> > > >> > > >> >>>> there is only One and the world which is dualistic in > >> > nature > >> > > , remains > >> > > >> > > >> >>>> what it is , just an illusion - i.e. subject to birth > >> > > >> > > >> >>>> and > >> > > death. God > >> > > >> > > >> >>>> ,Reality or Atman is Non-Dual and duality is just its > >> > > > >> > > expression.- Hide quoted text - > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > >> > > > >> > > >> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > >> > > > >> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > >> > > > >> > > - Show quoted text - > >> >
