You are not a parasite but an individual self who tries to make sense out of this life.
On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 9:08 PM, the taoist shaman <[email protected]> wrote: > RP- r u then saying that your current ''being'' is that of god with > the illusion of ''self'' , and death is the removel of that > illusion , .... would you then say that we are all incarnation's (as > opposed to re incarnation ) my sp sucks) of god , and therefore > there is no after life ? because god exists already , if self > disappears , i disappear , and god is as he (she,they) was / > were . if god is unchangable my disappearance of self would be > irrelevant, i would then simply die , which would mean that my current > self is the only state of being i would ever experience , which would > mean that self is not an illusion , and that i am not the same entety > as god, but rather one of his children . > > like a parasite , that u feed and feed off of . > > was that paragraph spoken to poorly to make sence ? > > RP Singh wrote: >> It is not a question of becoming one with God. " I " as a self-sense >> is an illusion whereas God is the reality. When a person dies the >> self-sense just vanishes and the One Spirit which is there all the >> time , unborn and indestructible , continues to shine. >> >> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 5:56 PM, the taoist shaman <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > RP - do u then belive that when u die u will become one with god , >> > like 2 ice cubes melting next to eachother become one puddle ? u will >> > have no '' self '' at all ? >> > >> > >> > >> > gabbydott wrote: >> >> I know it isn't. This was a distractor from the preceeding "they are >> >> telling >> >> you to find", which I thereby criticized. >> >> >> >> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 1:02 PM, [email protected] < >> >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> > Rise back to Godstate? >> >> > >> >> > That is not my belife Gabs, rather shed ourselves of the illusion that >> >> > we are seperated from God. As I often say God is immenent throughout >> >> > the creation, there exist not one iota of matter that is not imbued >> >> > with the spirit of God. >> >> > >> >> > On May 26, 6:31 pm, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > > Same idea differant words. >> >> > > >> >> > > Hahaha, that's exactly the trick. That's when God falls to become >> >> > Lucifer. >> >> > > It's the finding that they are telling you you need to do in order to >> >> > rise >> >> > > back to Godstate. This is not what I understand RP says. >> >> > > >> >> > > On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 1:06 PM, [email protected] < >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > [email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > > As I say I fail to see the differance between putting this way, or >> >> > > > RP's way or my way. Same idea differant words. >> >> > > >> >> > > > RP says that God is imminent but this does not mean that I am God, >> >> > > > and >> >> > > > I agree with him, but I'm sure he'll agree that without finding God >> >> > > > within, you stand no chance in finding God without. >> >> > > >> >> > > > It is a bold statement, but I honestly do try to see God in all >> >> > > > things, yep me included, and you too. >> >> > > >> >> > > > Haha but of course it is hard to find God in some people. >> >> > > >> >> > > > On May 26, 10:46 am, the taoist shaman <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > >> lee , o.r. , i think iknow what r.p. is getting at , forget the >> >> > > >> ocean , think of the stars , many different stars ( white red blue >> >> > > >> giant dwarf ect ) even the similar stars are different from each >> >> > > >> other , but they are part of the same whole , the galaxy , and >> >> > > >> though >> >> > > >> each galaxy is similar , and yet different , they are part of the >> >> > > >> same >> >> > > >> whole , the universe ....... if i were a glass of water id be a >> >> > > >> square >> >> > > >> glass with dull edges , ha ... ha .... :[ >> >> > > >> >> > > >> [email protected] wrote: >> >> > > >> > I fail to see the differance? >> >> > > >> >> > > >> > On May 26, 7:59 am, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > >> > > Instead of considering ourselves to be parts of the Whole , it >> >> > would >> >> > > >> > > be better in my opinion to consider ourselves differing images >> >> > > >> > > of >> >> > the >> >> > > >> > > Absolute in vessels of differing make and shape. Water in many >> >> > > vessels >> >> > > >> > > of differing sizes and shapes in a ocean is the same , but it >> >> > > >> > > is >> >> > not >> >> > > a >> >> > > >> > > part of the ocean --it is actually the ocean. The illusion is >> >> > > >> > > the >> >> > > >> > > vessel and not the water. >> >> > > >> >> > > >> > > On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 10:53 AM, ornamentalmind >> >> > > >> >> > > >> > > <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > >> > > > While I greatly appreciate emanationism on many levels, to >> >> > ignore >> >> > > the >> >> > > >> > > > consubstantial aspect of ‘the many’ simply ignores the >> >> > experience >> >> > > of >> >> > > >> > > > many humans. We have the ability to think and by thinking >> >> > > >> > > > break >> >> > > down >> >> > > >> > > > ‘the one’ into its component parts (as a thought, not an >> >> > > actuality). >> >> > > >> >> > > >> > > >http://www.iep.utm.edu/emanatio/ >> >> > > >> >> > > >> > > > On May 25, 8:50 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > >> > > >> If we think that we are part of the " Whole " we are sort of >> >> > > dividing >> >> > > >> > > >> up God. He then is no longer an entity but a composite of >> >> > parts. >> >> > > The >> >> > > >> > > >> truth is that we are not parts but emanations which make His >> >> > > existence >> >> > > >> > > >> identifiable to our understanding. >> >> > > >> > > >> The reflection of the sun is a proof of the sun ;similarly >> >> > > >> > > >> the >> >> > > world >> >> > > >> > > >> is a proof of the Self. >> >> > > >> >> > > >> > > >> On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Ash <[email protected]> >> >> > wrote: >> >> > > >> > > >> > "Our consciousness makes us think that we are special , >> >> > > >> > > >> > far >> >> > > removed from >> >> > > >> > > >> > matter , but in reality we are mortal and it is the One >> >> > Spirit >> >> > > in all that >> >> > > >> > > >> > is immortal. " >> >> > > >> > > >> > I don't think that this must necessarily be the whole >> >> > > >> > > >> > truth. >> >> > > What if one >> >> > > >> > > >> > sees that all things are a part of the whole, that is the >> >> > world >> >> > > and/or >> >> > > >> > > >> > nature's way, and we perceive diverse phenomena by our >> >> > natures >> >> > > inextricably? >> >> > > >> >> > > >> > > >> > I find it interesting that you would say the reflection of >> >> > the >> >> > > sun in a >> >> > > >> > > >> > puddle is not the sun, what else is the sun but the >> >> > > >> > > >> > forces of >> >> > > nature which >> >> > > >> > > >> > are the same as in the puddle? Our focus may be pointed >> >> > > >> > > >> > at a >> >> > > less brilliant >> >> > > >> > > >> > and direct portion in comparison to the sun but it is >> >> > > >> > > >> > shining >> >> > > through >> >> > > >> > > >> > nonetheless in everything if you know how or where to >> >> > > >> > > >> > look. >> >> > > >> >> > > >> > > >> > On 5/19/2011 10:04 AM, RP Singh wrote: >> >> > > >> >> > > >> > > >> >> It is not a matter of perspective but the very nature of >> >> > > things. The >> >> > > >> > > >> >> world is dualistic by nature and God is Non-Dual.The >> >> > > >> > > >> >> world >> >> > > changes >> >> > > >> > > >> >> over time and is never in a constant state , whereas God >> >> > > remains the >> >> > > >> > > >> >> same always and is unborn , primeaval and >> >> > indestructible--the >> >> > > same >> >> > > >> > > >> >> cannot be said of the world. It is so easy to say that I >> >> > > >> > > >> >> am >> >> > the >> >> > > One , >> >> > > >> > > >> >> but when a needle pricks you you grimace , how can you be >> >> > the " >> >> > > One " >> >> > > >> > > >> >> when you feel pleasure and pain , happy and depressed. >> >> > > >> > > >> >> Our >> >> > > >> > > >> >> consciousness makes us think that we are special , far >> >> > removed >> >> > > from >> >> > > >> > > >> >> matter , but in reality we are mortal and it is the One >> >> > Spirit >> >> > > in all >> >> > > >> > > >> >> that is immortal. >> >> > > >> >> > > >> > > >> >> On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 4:39 PM, >> >> > > >> > > >> >> Molly<[email protected]> >> >> > > wrote: >> >> > > >> >> > > >> > > >> >>> How is it possible, from a non dual perspective, to >> >> > perceive >> >> > > the world >> >> > > >> > > >> >>> as dualistic in nature, and thus an illusion (and >> >> > > >> > > >> >>> separate >> >> > > from >> >> > > >> > > >> >>> self)? By definition, this view would remain >> >> > > >> > > >> >>> dualistic. I >> >> > do >> >> > > think it >> >> > > >> > > >> >>> true that how we view the world forms our experience. >> >> > > >> > > >> >>> From >> >> > a >> >> > > >> > > >> >>> dualistic view, some are right, some are wrong. >From >> >> > > >> > > >> >>> a non >> >> > > dual view, >> >> > > >> > > >> >>> all views are the One/many paradox that is One. How we >> >> > view >> >> > > (and >> >> > > >> > > >> >>> experience) birth and death changes as we change. From >> >> > > >> > > >> >>> a >> >> > non >> >> > > dual >> >> > > >> > > >> >>> perspective, they are only states of transformation and >> >> > > >> > > >> >>> not >> >> > a >> >> > > >> > > >> >>> beginning or end. >> >> > > >> >> > > >> > > >> >>> On May 17, 2:07 pm, RP Singh<[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > >> >> > > >> > > >> >>>> In duality there is the relationship of the observer >> >> > > >> > > >> >>>> and >> >> > the >> >> > > observed >> >> > > >> > > >> >>>> , the knower and the known , that is , there are two. >> >> > > >> > > >> >>>> In >> >> > > Non-Duality >> >> > > >> > > >> >>>> there is only One and the world which is dualistic in >> >> > nature >> >> > > , remains >> >> > > >> > > >> >>>> what it is , just an illusion - i.e. subject to birth >> >> > > >> > > >> >>>> and >> >> > > death. 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