I don't like credit cards either my ATM/debit card (here in the Netherlands they are called chip cards.. and believe me you only have a maximum of 9.99 Euro credit and that is only because of the law say they can not keep your money from you..) they are fantastic for doing business with,, you do not have to carry cash because it is cash, I really like electronic banking.. indecently I still have my original bank account,, Allan
On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 1:35 PM, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> wrote: > I'm in the UK Allen. But as I say this suits me, I don';t want > credit, I don't require deit either. I trust the cash I have in my > hand and if I have not enough cash for a purchase, then I'll saveup or > go without. > > On Aug 5, 8:55 pm, Allan Heretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > Not sure what country you live and bank in even the U S has ATM/debit > cards. Because people do not know how to use them.. That is another story,, > what I would suggest is go and talk to your banker about just everything > your ATM card > > Allan > > > > On 5 aug. 2011, at 14:58, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hehh as I say though, my ATM card allows me to do one thing and one > > > thing only, take money out the ATM. It is not a debit card at all. > > > > > I have one bank account, and in reality it is the same old building > > > sociaty savings acount I had since I was a little kid. So no current > > > account, no credit or debit, no cheque book, I deal in cash and cash > > > only. > > > > > On Aug 5, 1:31 pm, allan deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> you mean you do not buy your groceries using your ATM card? actually > I > > >> know that you can take your ATM card and use it at the grocery or any > other > > >> store for that matter that is how business is transacted either that > or > > >> cash.. there is no such thing as checks.. > > >> your ATM card in reality is also a debit card,, all though it is not > a > > >> credit card/ debit it is an ATM/debit card.. > > >> ideal is very popular over here but it is a local dutch system > involving > > >> dutch banks only very cool and safe.. > > >> Allan > > > > >> On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 1:28 PM, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> > wrote: > > >>> Ahhh Allan, that may be the case for you, but it is not for me. I do > > >>> have an ATM card, but it is not a debit card also. > > > > >>> On Aug 5, 7:49 am, allan deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>> Lee if you have that little card issued by the bank so you can get > your > > >>>> cash out of a machine that is a debit card then you have one..and > it > > >>> limits > > >>>> you to the cash you have on hand.. Personally I like the > electronic > > >>>> banking here in the Netherlands it and the banking system is very > > >>>> excellent.. I personally have no credit cards either just do not > like > > >>>> them.. My wife has one for emergencies but that is it. > > >>>> Allan > > > > >>>> On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 11:25 PM, Lee Douglas < > [email protected] > > >>>> wrote: > > > > >>>>> Well Allan, > > > > >>>>> That is exatly the point. I have no credit or debit cards. I do > it > > >>>>> on porpouse, I do not wish to live beyond my means. I mean of > course > > >>>>> that if I have not the ready cash to pay for somthing, then I would > > >>>>> rather go without it, than owe somebody money for it. > > > > >>>>> Yes this means that if I do not have the cash to pay for something > > >>>>> then I go without it until I can afford to pay for it. But really > > >>>>> this is the best thing for me. My will power is nil, I have a > > >>>>> massivly addictive personality, so it is best for me to live this > way, > > >>>>> if I can't afford it, I will do without it, if I have the cash then > I > > >>>>> will have what I want. Credit, debit no no no, don't take a chance > on > > >>>>> me with that coz I will fuck you up. And of course by fucking you > up, > > >>>>> I'll fuck myself up. > > > > >>>>> No no no, it is easy. If I want something and I have not the cash > to > > >>>>> pay for it then I'll save until I do have the cash. Take something > > >>>>> now and pay for it later! Are you fucking mad? I'll fucking knock > ya > > >>>>> mate, don't give me credit, it will get you and me in trouble. No > no > > >>>>> no, no cash no purchase. > > > > >>>>> This is the way I must live my life. > > > > >>>>> On Aug 4, 8:31 pm, allan deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>>>> Lee to bad you don't live over here yu would just transfer the > money > > >>> to > > >>>>>> their bank account via a ATM or Debit card depending what you > call > > >>> it,, > > >>>>>> then the send you the package or you pic it up. > > >>>>>> no need to use a credit card electronic banking can be great.. > > >>>>>> Allan > > > > >>>>>> On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Lee Douglas < > [email protected] > > > > >>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>> I don't e-bay myself Rigsy, I don't do credit and so have no > cards. > > > > >>>>>>> As to the supper rich, what is the uses of keeping millions in > the > > >>>>>>> bank? I mean you can't spend it all before you die, you can't > take > > >>> it > > >>>>>>> with you, so I guess you leave it to the kids, and then they > still > > >>>>>>> wont be able to spend it all, nor their kids. > > > > >>>>>>> Money simply does not 'trickle down', those who have vast > ammounts > > >>> of > > >>>>>>> it do all they can to keep it, and I can see no logical reasons > for > > >>>>>>> doing so. Share the wealth, yes indeed. > > > > >>>>>>> Materialism, yes I guess you are right, although I hope not. I > > >>> think > > >>>>>>> whne the day comes when the whole world is fed and has a nice > pile > > >>> of > > >>>>>>> stuff it may cease to be so important. Once again I must declare > > >>>>>>> 'Robot Work Force' Yeah baby come on, I hope I see the day. > > > > >>>>>>> On Aug 4, 1:01 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>>>>>> Have you checked out e-bay? Plus the super-rich have not changed > > >>>>> their > > >>>>>>>> desires/shopping patterns as far as I can tell. It will be > > >>> difficult/ > > >>>>>>>> impossible to inhibit materialism as it springs from insecurity > > >>> or > > >>>>>>>> hostility and is held as a positive value in a capitalist > > >>> society. In > > >>>>>>>> a sense, we "barter" cash for goods and services. > > > > >>>>>>>> On Aug 3, 9:47 am, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >>>>>>>>> Indeed I am, I don't think bartering is a viable option. > > > > >>>>>>>>> On Aug 3, 2:51 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >>>>>>>>>> You are talking about the super-rich. Money attracts thieves > > >>> and > > >>>>>>>>>> lawyers. Most want money to remain independent and "just > > >>> enough" > > >>>>> is > > >>>>>>>>>> just fine. We could barter. > > > > >>>>>>>>>> On Aug 3, 6:44 am, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> > > >>> wrote: > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Meh! It's all the same ole same ole innit . > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> It's greed plain and simple, I think how much money does > > >>> one > > >>>>> perosn > > >>>>>>>>>>> need to libe as they wish. > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Why do the extreamly rich do all they can to keep their > > >>> money, > > >>>>> I > > >>>>>>> mean > > >>>>>>>>>>> what are they going to do with it? > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Ultimatly we must find a better way, a replacement for > > >>> material > > >>>>>>>>>>> wealth, and get rid of the whole concept of money. How > > >>> though > > >>>>>>> ummmm? > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 3, 8:43 am, allan deheretic <[email protected]> > > >>>>> wrote: > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Rigsy,, boy are you a sensitive extreme conservative > > >>>>> republican > > >>>>>>>>>>>> as president Rosevelt put it.. a conservative a person > > >>> with > > >>>>> two > > >>>>>>> perfectly > > >>>>>>>>>>>> good legs and refuses to walk... > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> all wealthy people have no right to live off the poor... > > >>>>> they > > >>>>>>> all > > >>>>>>>>>>>> regardless of political view or party need to pay their > > >>> share > > >>>>> of > > >>>>>>> taxes! > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> don't tell me that they create job because they don't. > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> as for people sending money to relatives.. you put a > > >>> maximum > > >>>>>>> that can be > > >>>>>>>>>>>> sent tax free. say 5000 dollars. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Allan > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 4:09 PM, rigsy03 < > > >>> [email protected]> > > >>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Who would invest under your system? > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> What about the government reducing its expenditures by > > >>> 35%? > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing's to stop wealthy Liberals/Democrats from > > >>> sending > > >>>>> their > > >>>>>>> excess > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> wealth to their government(s)-federal, state, local. > > >>> Why > > >>>>> don't > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> they? :-) > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Immigrants send money to their relatives also. I > > >>> thought > > >>>>> the > > >>>>>>> world was > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> flat, at last! > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Why would people turn their labor/income over to a > > >>> bloated/ > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> spendthrift/ incompetant government like > > >>> robots/slaves? > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 2, 2:31 am, allan deheretic < > > >>> [email protected]> > > >>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Being american,, I think taxes are necessary but > > >>> taxes > > >>>>> need > > >>>>>>> to be > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> dependent > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> income.. the greater the income the greater the > > >>> taxes.. > > >>>>> and > > >>>>>>> removal of > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> all > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> tax exemptions especially on capital gains..... > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am beginning to think that a petition needs to be > > >>>>>>> circulated placing > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a mandatory 35% on income over $250,000.oo with no > > >>>>>>> exemptions. > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> That would go a long way to helping the relive the > > >>>>> national > > >>>>>>> debt.. > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I also think all nation should have a 35% tax on > > >>> money > > >>>>>>> leaving a nation.. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Allan > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ( > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ) > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I_D Allan > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools, > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> -- > > >>>>>>>>>>>> ( > > >>>>>>>>>>>> ) > > >>>>>>>>>>>> I_D Allan > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,- Hide quoted > > >>> text > > >>>>> - > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > >>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > >>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > >>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > > > > >>>>>> -- > > >>>>>> ( > > >>>>>> ) > > >>>>>> I_D Allan > > > > >>>>>> If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken > > >>>>>> Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,- Hide quoted text - > > > > >>>>>> - Show quoted text - > > > > >>>> -- > > >>>> ( > > >>>> ) > > >>>> I_D Allan > > > > >>>> If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken > > >>>> Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,- Hide quoted text - > > > > >>>> - Show quoted text - > > > > >> -- > > >> ( > > >> ) > > >> I_D Allan > > > > >> If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken > > >> Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,- Hide quoted text - > > > > >> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - -- ( ) I_D Allan If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
