I'm in the UK Allen. But as I say this suits me, I don';t want credit, I don't require deit either. I trust the cash I have in my hand and if I have not enough cash for a purchase, then I'll saveup or go without.
On Aug 5, 8:55 pm, Allan Heretic <[email protected]> wrote: > Not sure what country you live and bank in even the U S has ATM/debit cards. > Because people do not know how to use them.. That is another story,, what I > would suggest is go and talk to your banker about just everything your ATM > card > Allan > > On 5 aug. 2011, at 14:58, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Hehh as I say though, my ATM card allows me to do one thing and one > > thing only, take money out the ATM. It is not a debit card at all. > > > I have one bank account, and in reality it is the same old building > > sociaty savings acount I had since I was a little kid. So no current > > account, no credit or debit, no cheque book, I deal in cash and cash > > only. > > > On Aug 5, 1:31 pm, allan deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > >> you mean you do not buy your groceries using your ATM card? actually I > >> know that you can take your ATM card and use it at the grocery or any other > >> store for that matter that is how business is transacted either that or > >> cash.. there is no such thing as checks.. > >> your ATM card in reality is also a debit card,, all though it is not a > >> credit card/ debit it is an ATM/debit card.. > >> ideal is very popular over here but it is a local dutch system involving > >> dutch banks only very cool and safe.. > >> Allan > > >> On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 1:28 PM, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >>> Ahhh Allan, that may be the case for you, but it is not for me. I do > >>> have an ATM card, but it is not a debit card also. > > >>> On Aug 5, 7:49 am, allan deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> Lee if you have that little card issued by the bank so you can get your > >>>> cash out of a machine that is a debit card then you have one..and it > >>> limits > >>>> you to the cash you have on hand.. Personally I like the electronic > >>>> banking here in the Netherlands it and the banking system is very > >>>> excellent.. I personally have no credit cards either just do not like > >>>> them.. My wife has one for emergencies but that is it. > >>>> Allan > > >>>> On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 11:25 PM, Lee Douglas <[email protected] > >>>> wrote: > > >>>>> Well Allan, > > >>>>> That is exatly the point. I have no credit or debit cards. I do it > >>>>> on porpouse, I do not wish to live beyond my means. I mean of course > >>>>> that if I have not the ready cash to pay for somthing, then I would > >>>>> rather go without it, than owe somebody money for it. > > >>>>> Yes this means that if I do not have the cash to pay for something > >>>>> then I go without it until I can afford to pay for it. But really > >>>>> this is the best thing for me. My will power is nil, I have a > >>>>> massivly addictive personality, so it is best for me to live this way, > >>>>> if I can't afford it, I will do without it, if I have the cash then I > >>>>> will have what I want. Credit, debit no no no, don't take a chance on > >>>>> me with that coz I will fuck you up. And of course by fucking you up, > >>>>> I'll fuck myself up. > > >>>>> No no no, it is easy. If I want something and I have not the cash to > >>>>> pay for it then I'll save until I do have the cash. Take something > >>>>> now and pay for it later! Are you fucking mad? I'll fucking knock ya > >>>>> mate, don't give me credit, it will get you and me in trouble. No no > >>>>> no, no cash no purchase. > > >>>>> This is the way I must live my life. > > >>>>> On Aug 4, 8:31 pm, allan deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>> Lee to bad you don't live over here yu would just transfer the money > >>> to > >>>>>> their bank account via a ATM or Debit card depending what you call > >>> it,, > >>>>>> then the send you the package or you pic it up. > >>>>>> no need to use a credit card electronic banking can be great.. > >>>>>> Allan > > >>>>>> On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Lee Douglas <[email protected] > > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>> I don't e-bay myself Rigsy, I don't do credit and so have no cards. > > >>>>>>> As to the supper rich, what is the uses of keeping millions in the > >>>>>>> bank? I mean you can't spend it all before you die, you can't take > >>> it > >>>>>>> with you, so I guess you leave it to the kids, and then they still > >>>>>>> wont be able to spend it all, nor their kids. > > >>>>>>> Money simply does not 'trickle down', those who have vast ammounts > >>> of > >>>>>>> it do all they can to keep it, and I can see no logical reasons for > >>>>>>> doing so. Share the wealth, yes indeed. > > >>>>>>> Materialism, yes I guess you are right, although I hope not. I > >>> think > >>>>>>> whne the day comes when the whole world is fed and has a nice pile > >>> of > >>>>>>> stuff it may cease to be so important. Once again I must declare > >>>>>>> 'Robot Work Force' Yeah baby come on, I hope I see the day. > > >>>>>>> On Aug 4, 1:01 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>>>> Have you checked out e-bay? Plus the super-rich have not changed > >>>>> their > >>>>>>>> desires/shopping patterns as far as I can tell. It will be > >>> difficult/ > >>>>>>>> impossible to inhibit materialism as it springs from insecurity > >>> or > >>>>>>>> hostility and is held as a positive value in a capitalist > >>> society. In > >>>>>>>> a sense, we "barter" cash for goods and services. > > >>>>>>>> On Aug 3, 9:47 am, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>> Indeed I am, I don't think bartering is a viable option. > > >>>>>>>>> On Aug 3, 2:51 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>> You are talking about the super-rich. Money attracts thieves > >>> and > >>>>>>>>>> lawyers. Most want money to remain independent and "just > >>> enough" > >>>>> is > >>>>>>>>>> just fine. We could barter. > > >>>>>>>>>> On Aug 3, 6:44 am, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> > >>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>> Meh! It's all the same ole same ole innit . > > >>>>>>>>>>> It's greed plain and simple, I think how much money does > >>> one > >>>>> perosn > >>>>>>>>>>> need to libe as they wish. > > >>>>>>>>>>> Why do the extreamly rich do all they can to keep their > >>> money, > >>>>> I > >>>>>>> mean > >>>>>>>>>>> what are they going to do with it? > > >>>>>>>>>>> Ultimatly we must find a better way, a replacement for > >>> material > >>>>>>>>>>> wealth, and get rid of the whole concept of money. How > >>> though > >>>>>>> ummmm? > > >>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 3, 8:43 am, allan deheretic <[email protected]> > >>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Rigsy,, boy are you a sensitive extreme conservative > >>>>> republican > >>>>>>>>>>>> as president Rosevelt put it.. a conservative a person > >>> with > >>>>> two > >>>>>>> perfectly > >>>>>>>>>>>> good legs and refuses to walk... > > >>>>>>>>>>>> all wealthy people have no right to live off the poor... > >>>>> they > >>>>>>> all > >>>>>>>>>>>> regardless of political view or party need to pay their > >>> share > >>>>> of > >>>>>>> taxes! > > >>>>>>>>>>>> don't tell me that they create job because they don't. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> as for people sending money to relatives.. you put a > >>> maximum > >>>>>>> that can be > >>>>>>>>>>>> sent tax free. say 5000 dollars. > >>>>>>>>>>>> Allan > > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 4:09 PM, rigsy03 < > >>> [email protected]> > >>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Who would invest under your system? > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> What about the government reducing its expenditures by > >>> 35%? > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing's to stop wealthy Liberals/Democrats from > >>> sending > >>>>> their > >>>>>>> excess > >>>>>>>>>>>>> wealth to their government(s)-federal, state, local. > >>> Why > >>>>> don't > >>>>>>>>>>>>> they? :-) > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Immigrants send money to their relatives also. I > >>> thought > >>>>> the > >>>>>>> world was > >>>>>>>>>>>>> flat, at last! > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Why would people turn their labor/income over to a > >>> bloated/ > >>>>>>>>>>>>> spendthrift/ incompetant government like > >>> robots/slaves? > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 2, 2:31 am, allan deheretic < > >>> [email protected]> > >>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Being american,, I think taxes are necessary but > >>> taxes > >>>>> need > >>>>>>> to be > >>>>>>>>>>>>> dependent > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> income.. the greater the income the greater the > >>> taxes.. > >>>>> and > >>>>>>> removal of > >>>>>>>>>>>>> all > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> tax exemptions especially on capital gains..... > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am beginning to think that a petition needs to be > >>>>>>> circulated placing > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a mandatory 35% on income over $250,000.oo with no > >>>>>>> exemptions. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> That would go a long way to helping the relive the > >>>>> national > >>>>>>> debt.. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I also think all nation should have a 35% tax on > >>> money > >>>>>>> leaving a nation.. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Allan > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ( > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ) > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I_D Allan > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools, > > >>>>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>>>> ( > >>>>>>>>>>>> ) > >>>>>>>>>>>> I_D Allan > > >>>>>>>>>>>> If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken > >>>>>>>>>>>> Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,- Hide quoted > >>> text > >>>>> - > > >>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > >>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > >>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > >>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > >>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> ( > >>>>>> ) > >>>>>> I_D Allan > > >>>>>> If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken > >>>>>> Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,- Hide quoted text - > > >>>>>> - Show quoted text - > > >>>> -- > >>>> ( > >>>> ) > >>>> I_D Allan > > >>>> If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken > >>>> Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,- Hide quoted text - > > >>>> - Show quoted text - > > >> -- > >> ( > >> ) > >> I_D Allan > > >> If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken > >> Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
