For the sake of openness and fairness I must say that I do in fact belive in reincarnation.
On Aug 12, 4:47 pm, allan deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > OM The zombie theory is semi-based off reincarnation.. Yet Lee is right I > have know 20+ King Arthur, Merlin is another popular choice.. if they are > famous they have their re incarnations.... > > read more » > > there are many things I do not know or understand,, I am looking at the > origin of the soul.. reincarnation does fall along those lines but I still > not know. The problem being to many wanna be. I think my Zombie theory has > a possibility who knows how many times they cycle out of their spiritual > state. > Allan > > On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 3:46 PM, Lee Douglas <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > Yes OM there is that. > > > Do you belive any of them? I mean not all those who have claimed to > > remember a past live can be King Aurther can they? > > > Bwahahahah! > > > On Aug 12, 2:35 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > So Lee, you discount the reports of those who share their experiences > > > of reincarnation? > > > > On Aug 12, 2:07 am, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Hey Jo, > > > > > Death remains a mystery to us because as yet nobody has ever returned > > > > after death to let us know what it is all about, and I must assume as > > > > nobody has yet done so in the millenia of human life then it is likely > > > > that nobody will ever do so. > > > > > As to acting out side of the norm, well what is normal and what is out > > > > side of normal? I think that what ever an individual, or a group > > > > does, says or thinks must be normal. I mean within the normal > > > > parameters of whatever it means to be human. Simply put if a human > > > > does, says or thinks, as it is a human doing it, it must be normal > > > > human behaviour. > > > > > On Aug 11, 4:29 pm, Jo <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Okay please excuse me if this has already been discussed before. > > Often > > > > > times I think myself into a corner and these questions frustrate me > > to > > > > > no end. No one knows what happens after death. Some believe that > > death > > > > > is the end. I would like to know why it has to be such a big secret! > > > > > > We’re obviously a part of some cycle. I find it hard to believe that > > > > > we cease to exist after death. I think death is merely a change. What > > > > > if our survival instinct is directly linked to learning what occurs > > > > > after death or before life? Before we have a chance reason things out > > > > > our instinct to survive forces us to assimilate. > > > > > > We’re equipped with emotions which are required for developing > > > > > socially. We see this in babies who develop their social skills by > > > > > studying the faces of those around them. So obviously we need to > > > > > interact with each other. What if discovering the meaning of life or > > > > > what occurs after death is something that we’ll discover > > collectively? > > > > > What happens when a mass of people die at once like in war or a > > > > > natural disaster? > > > > > > And about this idea of God; What if we needed to believe that we were > > > > > being watched in order to implement laws to govern ourselves? Do we > > > > > not (for the most part) act in accordance whenever we think we’re > > > > > being watched? > > > > > > We seem to have a fascination for risk takers, good and bad. Why is > > > > > that? Does acting outside of the norm help us discover more about > > > > > these mysteries? Why do they have to be mysteries in the first > > place?! > > > > > > On Aug 11, 6:38 am, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Long deliberations , introspection , observation and study are the > > > > > > precursors of the training I speak of. You have read Patanjali yoga > > , > > > > > > I ask you to widen your browsing and deliberate and introspect in > > > > > > solitude , if possible. I cannot give you any guarantee as you > > > > > > yourself cannot to those who are following the Raja yoga system of > > > > > > Patanjali with a sureshot experience of the absolute. Of course you > > > > > > can give an assurance in a future life which I cannot as I don't > > > > > > believe in an after-life.On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 4:03 PM, Vam < > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > "... it takes a trained understanding to know the truth." > > > > > > > > RP, tell us more specifically about > > > > > > > > (1) training you speak of, > > > > > > > (2) the understanding that would be accrue with the training, and > > > > > > > (3) the truth we will know upon the understanding. > > > > > > > > Will you ? > > > > > > > > On Aug 11, 2:45 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > >> I can open my fingers or close them , i.e. free will is obvious. > > Most > > > > > > >> people can see only the obvious , it takes a trained > > understanding to > > > > > > >> know the truth. > > > > > > > >> On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 11:39 AM, allan deheretic < > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > >> > Sorry RP Vam has both the wisdom and authority to make such a > > statement. > > > > > > >> > Allan > > > > > > > >> > On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 4:20 AM, RP Singh <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> >> Vehement language , Vam , I don't think you have the > > authority to use > > > > > > >> >> such words against others. Maybe , you are a great success > > but what > > > > > > >> >> makes you think that all others having a determinist view are > > spent > > > > > > >> >> people ? > > > > > > > >> >> On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 1:57 AM, Vam <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > >> >> > "... if we can reflect upon ourselves- as > > > > > > >> >> > an object- we have created distance from those > > markers-determiners- > > > > > > >> >> > and can choose in an independent manner- thoughts, > > actions." > > > > > > > >> >> > This is the kind of experiential understanding and > > empowerment I was > > > > > > >> >> > speaking of ! > > > > > > > >> >> > Most people do not discover this. And if they do, they do > > not practice > > > > > > >> >> > it enough to lead to empowerment. It is because of this > > that they > > > > > > >> >> > continue to look upon themselves as programmed robots and > > automatons, > > > > > > >> >> > and continue to doubt the clear measure of power they have > > to choose > > > > > > >> >> > their beliefs, thoughts, words and action. Then they > > project it over > > > > > > >> >> > entire humanity, as us all being some creation of some > > obscure god > > > > > > >> >> > playing fiddle. Fking shit ! Such regressives should be > > barred from > > > > > > >> >> > public activity, and sent to a correction facility instead. > > > > > > > >> >> > On Aug 10, 5:53 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > >> >> >> Well, Hocking made some sense to me about Free Will- > > though I could > > > > > > >> >> >> read it again. It goes like this- if we can reflect upon > > ourselves- as > > > > > > >> >> >> an object- we have created distance from those > > markers-determiners- > > > > > > >> >> >> and can choose in an independent manner- thoughts, > > actions. Reflection > > > > > > >> >> >> is an endless process rather than fixed. But- "freedom is > > a matter of > > > > > > >> >> >> degree". > > > > > > > >> >> >> On Aug 10, 5:26 am, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> >> >> > Yes it does not mean that that they do not exist, but it > > does mean > > > > > > >> >> >> > that this stance is as aI say a best guess, or perhaps > > we shall call > > > > > > >> >> >> > it an inferance. > > > > > > > >> >> >> > Yes again I belive that these markers may well be part > > of the > > > > > > >> >> >> > desicion, yet you can still choose to act contrary to > > any of these > > > > > > >> >> >> > markers. > > > > > > > >> >> >> > If you are non violent you act in a violent mannor, if > > you are > > > > > > >> >> >> > violent > > > > > > >> >> >> > you can choose to not use violence. And what is a > > marker, is it a > > > > > > >> >> >> > force or as the word suggests a marker? > > > > > > > >> >> >> > On Aug 9, 10:23 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > We can point to many causes- our genes, mental and > > physical health > > > > > > >> >> >> > > of > > > > > > >> >> >> > > mother before, during and after pregnancy, early > > bonding and > > > > > > >> >> >> > > childhood > > > > > > >> >> >> > > development, placement in family, economic and social > > influences, > > > > > > >> >> >> > > etc. > > > > > > >> >> >> > > Even the country of birth and historical period > > matter. Reason > > > > > > >> >> >> > > doesn't > > > > > > >> >> >> > > kick in until around age seven and many early > > influences are > > > > > > >> >> >> > > forgotten, misinterpreted or markers for life. The > > fact that one > > > > > > >> >> >> > > cannot readily trace back to initial influences and > > causes does not > > > > > > >> >> >> > > mean that they don't exist. At the moment of choice, I > > believe > > > > > > >> >> >> > > these > > > > > > >> >> >> > > markers are part of the decision- even if the decision > > is to reject > > > > > > >> >> >> > > the influences and do the exact opposite of the past- > > like a child > > > > > > >> >> >> > > who > > > > > > >> >> >> > > swears he will be different than the parent but winds > > up being > > > > > > >> >> >> > > similar > > > > > > >> >> >> > > or tries to out-do the parent and fails. > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > On Aug 9, 8:38 am, Lee Douglas < > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > Heh heh Rigsy. > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > Nope I think the deterministic stance is kinda like > > a best guess. > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > I mean for us to be sure that our lives are > > determined we need to > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > coreleate all causes. > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > Besides, I do not belive that cause and effect bars > > our freedom > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > of > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > choice. > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > On Aug 9, 12:41 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > One's will is shaped by numerous influences and > > experiences > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > therefore > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > it is determined. 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