We have Occupy here too - a few tent cities so far - people also making the point they ain't left-wing loonies. I went to the Manchester one yesterday to ask a few people 'why'? I'm not sure heard much that was accurate. Might have a look at Greece nearer Xmas. Most peopleI met yesterday didn't know what collateral- derivative fractional banking was.
On Oct 4, 2:40 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > Well then, reckon we should all grab shovels, yes? > On Oct 4, 2011 9:03 AM, "archytas" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I guess my picture of normal, Chris, would be of an ostrich with its > > head in the sand - these being the people not doing occupation. > > > On Oct 4, 8:41 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > >> It is good to see you again Chris and Don.. > > >> I was thinking (I know a rare event) last night only to have the topic > >> return this morning.. > > >> After watching all the demonstrations some thing emerged that does not > make > >> sense to me nor do I understand. maybe some one can straighten me out.. > > >> He goes: If I invest my money in a company say Sky Cat (I like the idea) > I > >> am hoping the company will go on to produce me a profit by manufacturing > the > >> air type craft. They have my money, I have a share of their company > >> because they control my money.. > > >> Now if I give a "Bank" control of my money they do not in return give me > a > >> share of their stock like a normal company does.. they invest both their > >> money and my money and I have no problem with that,, what I have a > problem > >> with is the sharing of the profits.. if there is a profit their share of > the > >> money makes more money than mine,, but if they lose money It is my > money > >> that is lost not theirs.. > > >> Even if I put money in a simple savings account,, it is investing in the > >> bank.. and what I am seeing is a group if people who think the laws of > >> economics and moral responsibility. If they lose money,, because they are > >> the ones in control morally they should be taking the greater share of > the > >> lose.. and that includes the stock market.. > >> Allan > > >> On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 1:22 AM, Chris Jenkins <[email protected] > >wrote: > > >> > Leaving moderation behind has made it feel like a whole new list for > me. :D > > >> > I too am worried about undue influence coopting the cause, but I think > >> > that's an inevitability of any populist movement. Even the Egyptians > are > >> > warily eyeing their "liberated" government. I just hope some good is > >> > accomplished along the way. > >> > On Oct 3, 2011 7:15 PM, "Don Johnson" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > I'm very glad to see your august presence back amongst these humble > >> > boards > >> > > Chris. > > >> > > The self portraits of 99%s with notes describing themselves affected > me > >> > > somewhat. Some are easy to dismiss as whiny but many are obviously > >> > feeling > >> > > the same pain I see in family and friends around me. It literally > puts a > >> > > face, many faces actually, on our problems. I'm very glad folks like > you > >> > are > >> > > out there recording these times. I mean that because I see in you > someone > >> > > without a particular agenda other then improvement. I have never seen > you > >> > as > >> > > someone that ignores or tries to cover up obvious discrepancies in > what > >> > > politicians say and what they do. I find your support of Ron Paul > >> > > refreshing. While I disagree with many of his policies the thing I > most > >> > > admire about him is his consistency. There are few things our > President > >> > has > >> > > done I approve of but killing terrorists is at the top of the list. > Ron > >> > is > >> > > wrong on this. > > >> > > Now, with the ass kissing portion of my post out of the way, let's > get to > >> > > the Occupy(pickyourplace) kerfuffle. I made the observation in a post > on > >> > G+ > >> > > that this may be one of those times when you see Tea Partiers > marching > >> > next > >> > > to Code Pinkers. Nobody likes corp. welfare and high unemployment > except > >> > for > >> > > the lobbyists and politicians that engineer it. Even they don't like > it > >> > when > >> > > they get caught. On the one hand I'm glad folks are "doing something" > but > >> > on > >> > > the other I'm concerned with what seems to be unions trying to > highjack > >> > the > >> > > movement for their own selfish ends. They are some of the biggest > causes > >> > of > >> > > our current crisis. Just read s story how GM has thousands of Volts > >> > sitting > >> > > around not getting sold. This is what happens when government builds > your > >> > > cars or your solar panels. Somebody else always makes them better AND > >> > > cheaper. My concern is most of those 'protesting' don't see things > quite > >> > the > >> > > same way I do. Far too many are on the Class Warfare path and this > >> > disturbs > >> > > me. I have no beef with the rich. In fact, I appreciate that they pay > the > >> > > most and give the most. I hate favoritism and that is what government > >> > > control and the punish/reward aspect of taxation is all about. I hate > it. > >> > > It's why I like Herman Cain's 'plan' of 9-9-9 better then anything > else > >> > > anybody has come up with. Getting rid of ALL the loopholes for the > very > >> > > wealthy would be awesome. It's galling to find out some of the most > >> > ardent > >> > > celebrity liberal supporters have much of their wealth sheltered from > >> > taxes. > >> > > Smart but hugely hypocritical. That said the rich aren't the problem, > our > >> > > screwy tax laws and a political class bent on pork and back > scratching > >> > and > >> > > huge, mind numbing waste are. I agree we need to clean house in > >> > Washington > >> > > but I fear most of those in the streets would disagree with me who > the > >> > major > >> > > culprits are. > > >> > > As usual, Rigs makes the most sense of all the comments here. While > I'm > >> > not > >> > > a supporter of the status quo exactly I do have a substantial amount > of > >> > my > >> > > retirement in the market and T-bills. The required destruction of our > >> > > current system to come up with something more to Archy's taste I'm > scared > >> > to > >> > > death of. That's what crazy people like George Soros want. That's not > for > >> > > me. A more vigilant FTC and massive simplification of the tax code I > >> > would > >> > > welcome. > > >> > > Thems my thoughts but I'm keeping an open mind. > > >> > > On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 12:42 PM, gabbydott <[email protected]> > wrote: > > >> > >> Ok, let's settle for rule #10! :) > > >> > >> On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 7:23 PM, Chris Jenkins < > >> > [email protected]>wrote: > > >> > >>> Fantastic link, Gabby! I especially like number 10. :D > > >> > >>> No, by normalcy, I meant that the media focus to date has been on > the > >> > >>> counterculture types mostly, while ignoring those in business > casual > >> > attire. > >> > >>> It makes it easy for the audience at large to be separate from > them. I > >> > want > >> > >>> to show the world how many of their PEERS are there, coworkers, > >> > colleagues, > >> > >>> classmates...I want them to see that this isn't just some angry > washed > >> > out > >> > >>> hippies, but an actual populist uprising comprised of their friends > and > >> > >>> neighbors. > > >> > >>> On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 12:57 PM, gabbydott <[email protected]> > >> > wrote: > > >> > >>>> Ah, Chris, let me make clear that we understand that the "normal" > >> > >>>> American media is employing this technique of "creating a sense of > >> > >>>> connection" which worries us here across the pond. We therefore > >> > >>>> welcome independent views in the U.S. What you'd call "left" is > still > >> > very > >> > >>>> much "right" for our senses. What you call normalcy is what we > often > >> > >>>> perceive as extremely ignorant. > > >> > >>>> Let me give you an example of how we believe you need to take > photos > >> > that > >> > >>>> deserve the label "independent": > >> > >>>>http://www.lomography.com/about/the-ten-golden-rules > > >> > >>>> On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 6:21 PM, Chris Jenkins < > >> > >>>> [email protected]> wrote: > > >> > >>>>> Danke, Gabby! There's a general sense of marginalization about > the > >> > >>>>> group, and I'm hoping to capture the normalcy of the > >> > protesters...create a > >> > >>>>> sense of connection. > >> > >>>>> On Oct 3, 2011 11:50 AM, "gabbydott" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >>>>> > Cheers, Chris! Documenting and sharing what you see as > happening is > >> > a > >> > >>>>> good > >> > >>>>> > thing, I find. > > >> > >>>>> > It is very much of THE thing to do today, to gather with people > who > >> > >>>>> share > >> > >>>>> > one's own view to demonstrate one's enlarged physical mass. I > don't > >> > >>>>> think > >> > >>>>> > that it is smarter than finding new ways of fair communication > >> > >>>>> beforehand, > >> > >>>>> > though. > > >> > >>>>> > But hey, we've had our share of "we are the people" pictures 22 > >> > years > >> > >>>>> ago > >> > >>>>> > and we won. Go ahead and do it the American (occupying) Style! > >> > Learn > >> > >>>>> to take > >> > >>>>> > scalps if you must but leave the heads on! > > >> > >>>>> > On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 2:57 AM, Chris Jenkins < > >> > >>>>> [email protected]>wrote: > > >> > >>>>> >> So what do you all think of the various regional Occupy groups > >> > >>>>> springing up > >> > >>>>> >> around the US, emulating OccupyWallStreet? I'm going out to > >> > >>>>> OccupyTampa on > >> > >>>>> >> Thursday to do some independent media photography, but am > curious > >> > >>>>> about the > >> > >>>>> >> perception of the country and world at large. > > >> -- > >> ( > >> ) > >> |_D Allan > > >> If your life is not going right, try making a left turn > > >> life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
