It is, and October is my favorite month here. On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 10:40 AM, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote:
> Raining here now also. Finally. We need it so badly here in Texas. One > thing I remember about Fl. is during summer it would rain almost daily. for > about 10 to 15 minutes. Then sunny with nice cool breeze. Nice place to live > Florida. > > dj > > > On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 9:11 AM, Chris Jenkins > <[email protected]>wrote: > >> *laughing* In all of the protests nationwide, supporters are being fed by >> donors. Food and water has been readily available. The pizzas Thursday were >> donated by http://crooksandliars.com. >> >> We have hard storms blowing through the Bay today...I'm thinking that's >> going to put a heavy damper on today's planned assembly. It's a bit >> difficult to hold a sign in a 25MPH windy rainstorm. >> >> >> On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 9:48 AM, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 8:16 AM, Chris Jenkins < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> He wasn't selling, Don. Those were donated to feed the protesters. He >>>> was just delivering them. >>>> >>>> DAmn. >>> >>> dj >>> >>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 8:53 AM, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I liked the pic of the guy selling pizzas. I'd like it even better if >>>>> they weren't ordered but he just showed up with 20 pepperonis hoping to >>>>> make >>>>> a couple of bucks. Illegally probably. No permit and so forth. Go 99%! >>>>> >>>>> dj >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 2:44 PM, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Good pictures, Chris. You've been doing a great job. You show exactly >>>>>> what you wanted to show and what people need to see. So yes, you passed >>>>>> rule >>>>>> #10. ;) >>>>>> >>>>>> A little bit more un-normalcy is what I'd like to see next time. A fat >>>>>> American family looking irritated out of their car window at the >>>>>> marching protesters. Something like that. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 6:43 AM, Chris Jenkins < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Gabby, I hope you approve. I tried my best to follow rule #10: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150334273466494.348470.722681493&l=b50118df79&type=1 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 12:30 AM, Chris Jenkins < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Actually, we all brought garbage bags, and cleaned up after >>>>>>>> ourselves. As for finding a job, I've been on the market for over 18 >>>>>>>> months, >>>>>>>> with a solid, industry professional resume, and have found nothing. >>>>>>>> Meanwhile, many of my former colleagues have joined my ranks. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 12:19 AM, [email protected] < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The biased media and comics have been trashing conservatives and >>>>>>>>> ridiculing the Tea Party and various candidiates so you have to >>>>>>>>> expect >>>>>>>>> some payback. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> How do these protestors expect to find a job or stay in school if >>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>> spend all their time protesting? Who will pay for the clean-up? >>>>>>>>> What >>>>>>>>> business would risk hiring these people? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Most loot is not easily transported. :-) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Oct 6, 9:40 pm, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> > I scanned it and agree, a bit bullshitty but one must admire the >>>>>>>>> hopeful >>>>>>>>> > tone the writer emits. So the Occupiers are all about coming >>>>>>>>> together if not >>>>>>>>> > completely cogent on their reasons for doing so. Where the Tea >>>>>>>>> Party, to me, >>>>>>>>> > has mostly been about tax and spending cuts Tthe Occupiers seem, >>>>>>>>> again to >>>>>>>>> > me(it's a shame it's still so unclear) to be all about political >>>>>>>>> corporate >>>>>>>>> > favoritism. I would hesitate to label the 99%ers as Class >>>>>>>>> Warriors although >>>>>>>>> > many of their organizers seem to have this at the top of their >>>>>>>>> agenda. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > I'm disappointed in the rhetoric from Conservative mouthpieces >>>>>>>>> like Limbaugh >>>>>>>>> > that are trashing the movement. Ridiculing the protestors and so >>>>>>>>> forth. It >>>>>>>>> > would make more sense to recognize that there are those that are >>>>>>>>> having some >>>>>>>>> > tough times and try to help educate those disaffected folks on >>>>>>>>> the real >>>>>>>>> > problems which isn't rich people per se. It's bad government. By >>>>>>>>> both >>>>>>>>> > Republicans and Democrats. In a nutshell, too much wasteful >>>>>>>>> spending and not >>>>>>>>> > enough pin-pointed economic stimulus spending. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > Thanks for the link to the Boston Group Arch I'll probably read >>>>>>>>> it again >>>>>>>>> > soon. These economist make sense but the real problem is going to >>>>>>>>> be coming >>>>>>>>> > up with something everyone can swallow. We sure don't need our >>>>>>>>> very own >>>>>>>>> > Reign Of Terror. Nobody wants to give in here. If I was rich I'd >>>>>>>>> be tired of >>>>>>>>> > being called the bad guy all the time unless I really was the bad >>>>>>>>> guy in >>>>>>>>> > which case I wouldn't care a fig. I'd take my loot and go >>>>>>>>> somewhere else. >>>>>>>>> > God help us all. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > dj >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 12:02 PM, archytas <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> > > There's a take on Occupy Wall Street at >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2011/10/matt-stoller-the-anti-politics. >>>>>>>>> .. >>>>>>>>> > > - that sounds like Allan - a bit bullshitty (sorry Al - not >>>>>>>>> you) Chris >>>>>>>>> > > but an interesting take. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > > I can't stand any standard politics now. It's madness. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > > On Oct 6, 8:36 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> > > > I think there is where the problem lies,, several decades >>>>>>>>> ago the >>>>>>>>> > > > revolution was bassed off ideology differences (the Little >>>>>>>>> Red Book) >>>>>>>>> > > this >>>>>>>>> > > > really was not a valid reason.. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > > > today I see >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2011/10/matt-stoller-the-anti-politics...differentworld,, >>>>>>>>> especially in the US also to a >>>>>>>>> > > > lesser extent Europe.. in the US there are other problems >>>>>>>>> there are >>>>>>>>> > > > existing undergrounds outside of police intelligence,, there >>>>>>>>> are massive >>>>>>>>> > > > amounts of weapons out of site and out of mind and other than >>>>>>>>> the owner >>>>>>>>> > > no >>>>>>>>> > > > one knows about them.. Even I still have guns and I no >>>>>>>>> longer live >>>>>>>>> > > there.. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > > > The US is extremely Large,, there is also a large community >>>>>>>>> of motor >>>>>>>>> > > homes >>>>>>>>> > > > which have the ability move and potentially lower the cost >>>>>>>>> of living.. >>>>>>>>> > > > and organize.. the police are not unsympathetic either as >>>>>>>>> they often >>>>>>>>> > > times >>>>>>>>> > > > in the same or similar situation.. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > > > I do believe co-op-s will become more plentiful, underground >>>>>>>>> work will >>>>>>>>> > > > become more prevalent.. it will change,, I think the start >>>>>>>>> is in >>>>>>>>> > > > eliminating the political corruption that is so embedded.. >>>>>>>>> > > > sigh >>>>>>>>> > > > Allan >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > > > I hate change .. but greed is so wide spread.. a tremendous >>>>>>>>> lose >>>>>>>>> > > > of spirituality ,, but fundamentalism may have some perks >>>>>>>>> in the end,, >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > > > On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 5:59 AM, Chris Jenkins < >>>>>>>>> > > [email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > > > > I see BoA as an infinitely powerful entity, and can't >>>>>>>>> imagine the >>>>>>>>> > > behemoth >>>>>>>>> > > > > falling. >>>>>>>>> > > > > On Oct 5, 2011 10:18 PM, "archytas" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> > > > > > Pruning ain't the metaphor I'd choose Chris. Dexia Bank >>>>>>>>> has just gone >>>>>>>>> > > > > > belly-up - it was 'worth' more than Belgium's GDP. The >>>>>>>>> 'money' in the >>>>>>>>> > > > > > banking scam is at factors of ten in comparison with the >>>>>>>>> world of >>>>>>>>> > > real >>>>>>>>> > > > > > work. My view is that it's in the way of capitalism and >>>>>>>>> democracy. >>>>>>>>> > > > > > The informed guess is they've been lending to crooks on a >>>>>>>>> scale >>>>>>>>> > > vastly >>>>>>>>> > > > > > bigger than the barrel-loads of dollars gone in Iraq and >>>>>>>>> Afghanistan >>>>>>>>> > > > > > without securing any 'mineral rights'. The kleft stick is >>>>>>>>> that they >>>>>>>>> > > > > > can only make money through the same old scams, so >>>>>>>>> whatever we put >>>>>>>>> > > > > > back in (and I mean we) just does it all over again. In >>>>>>>>> an >>>>>>>>> > > > > > oversimplified way, much of the debt is like you owing me >>>>>>>>> $2 million, >>>>>>>>> > > > > > Don owing 'Francois' $5 million, me owing Molly (etc.) in >>>>>>>>> an equation >>>>>>>>> > > > > > in which, if we cancelled out we're all solvent and I owe >>>>>>>>> Orn a beer >>>>>>>>> > > > > > he won'r drink. What goes in the cancelling is the banks >>>>>>>>> - the debts >>>>>>>>> > > > > > are so networked it's almost like the $2 million you owe >>>>>>>>> me is >>>>>>>>> > > > > > balanced by $1.99 million I owe to people who owe you. >>>>>>>>> I've been >>>>>>>>> > > > > > teaching the EU figures if anyone is interested (they >>>>>>>>> just tell this >>>>>>>>> > > > > > story between EU countries). >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > We've finally seen some reporting here. A Wall Street guy >>>>>>>>> came on and >>>>>>>>> > > > > > said he was amazed more people weren't protesting as he >>>>>>>>> thought true >>>>>>>>> > > > > > unemployment was at 15% - which is what I reckon here. >>>>>>>>> The real issue >>>>>>>>> > > > > > to me is jobs and wages. A key figure for me is that the >>>>>>>>> bottom 50% >>>>>>>>> > > > > > back in 1980 had 14% of liquid assets (cash more or less) >>>>>>>>> and that's >>>>>>>>> > > > > > down to 1% now. Wages have fallen. The debt problem >>>>>>>>> starts around >>>>>>>>> > > > > > 1965 and it's similar in form to similar ones around gold >>>>>>>>> rushes in >>>>>>>>> > > > > > history. Most people I've seen on television or met in >>>>>>>>> Manchester >>>>>>>>> > > > > > don't know much of the economics but are sick of the lack >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> > > > > > opportunity. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > I was left a house when my cousin died and had to drop >>>>>>>>> the price by a >>>>>>>>> > > > > > fifth to sell. There's no decent unskilled or engineering >>>>>>>>> work around >>>>>>>>> > > > > > here and jobs are being lost at some rate. Just up the >>>>>>>>> road we have >>>>>>>>> > > > > > 64 years of UK energy supply as shale gas about to be >>>>>>>>> exploited. I >>>>>>>>> > > > > > worked on the survey 25 years back. You'd think we'd have >>>>>>>>> a plan >>>>>>>>> > > > > > around this but there isn't one. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > Political blather is just about getting the economy >>>>>>>>> moving, our >>>>>>>>> > > people >>>>>>>>> > > > > > working. It's all dross. Interestingly, our Republicans >>>>>>>>> couldn't >>>>>>>>> > > > > > even fill the seats for the Prime Minister's speech. He's >>>>>>>>> not a half- >>>>>>>>> > > > > > wit like Palin but he's claiming his government has dealt >>>>>>>>> with the >>>>>>>>> > > > > > banks - yet two of the one's we bailed out are still >>>>>>>>> making the kinds >>>>>>>>> > > > > > of losses they were before 2008. One of them,HBOS, was >>>>>>>>> running a >>>>>>>>> > > > > > criminal scam that closed many small companies and is not >>>>>>>>> cooperating >>>>>>>>> > > > > > with the limited police enquiries. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > I don't think most people know how bad it all is yet. The >>>>>>>>> collapse of >>>>>>>>> > > > > > Soc. Gen. and Bank of America should do it - B o A could >>>>>>>>> even end up >>>>>>>>> > > > > > Chinese. There are underlying questions on how we get fed >>>>>>>>> if it all >>>>>>>>> > > > > > collapses - after all, we're still growing the food. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > On Oct 5, 9:43 pm, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> > > > > >> Great time to live,, revolution is always exciting. >>>>>>>>> Maybe if the >>>>>>>>> > > > > bankers >>>>>>>>> > > > > >> and stock market wake up. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > > > > >> Do corporations still agree obey the laws of the state >>>>>>>>> and the >>>>>>>>> > > United >>>>>>>>> > > > > >> state.. and if they don't do they lose their corporate >>>>>>>>> skirt >>>>>>>>> > > > > >> Allan >>>>>>>>> > > > > >> On Oct 5, 2011 7:37 PM, "Chris Jenkins" < >>>>>>>>> > > [email protected]> >>>>>>>>> > > > > wrote: >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > > > > >> > Citizens United was one of the worst rulings in the >>>>>>>>> entire history >>>>>>>>> > > of >>>>>>>>> > > > > the >>>>>>>>> > > > > >> > Supreme Court. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._Federal_Election_Comm >>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>> > > > > .. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > > > > >> > Restricting unions while empowering corporations in >>>>>>>>> political >>>>>>>>> > > speech >>>>>>>>> > > > > is one >>>>>>>>> > > > > >> > of the root problems that Occupy hopes to address. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > > > > >> > On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 1:17 PM, ornamentalmind < >>>>>>>>> > > > > [email protected] >>>>>>>>> > > > > >> > > wrote: >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > > > > >> >> It looks like the unions are entering into the fray. >>>>>>>>> No doubt >>>>>>>>> > > this >>>>>>>>> > > > > >> >> will accelerate the attacks on them… such as the >>>>>>>>> proposals to >>>>>>>>> > > greatly >>>>>>>>> > > > > >> >> limit and/or not allow political contributions. >>>>>>>>> Perhaps if they >>>>>>>>> > > > > >> >> incorporated…. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>> http://www.democracynow.org/2011/10/5/as_unions_students_join_occupy_ >>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>> > > .. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > > > > >> >> On Oct 5, 8:02 am, Chris Jenkins < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>>>>> > > wrote: >>>>>>>>> > > > > >> >> > And thus the need for education. CDO Swaps and >>>>>>>>> other bits of >>>>>>>>> > > > > banking >>>>>>>>> > > > > >> >> > nastiness that prune money from the system while >>>>>>>>> contributing >>>>>>>>> > > > > nothing to >>>>>>>>> > > > > >> >> it >>>>>>>>> > > > > >> >> > are part of the problem. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > > > > >> >> > On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 7:35 PM, archytas < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>>>>> > > > > wrote: >>>>>>>>> > > > > >> >> > > We have Occupy here too - a few tent cities so >>>>>>>>> far - people >>>>>>>>> > > also >>>>>>>>> > > > > >> >> > > making the point they ain't left-wing loonies. I >>>>>>>>> went to the >>>>>>>>> > > > > >> >> > > Manchester one yesterday to ask a few people >>>>>>>>> 'why'? I'm not >>>>>>>>> > > sure >>>>>>>>> > > > > >> >> > > heard much that was accurate. Might have a look >>>>>>>>> at Greece >>>>>>>>> > > nearer >>>>>>>>> > > > > >> >> > > Xmas. Most peopleI met yesterday didn't know >>>>>>>>> what >>>>>>>>> > > collateral- >>>>>>>>> > > > > >> >> > > derivative fractional banking was. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > > > > >> >> > > On Oct 4, 2:40 pm, Chris Jenkins < >>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > > > > wrote: >>>>>>>>> > > > > >> >> > > > Well then, reckon we should all grab shovels, >>>>>>>>> yes? >>>>>>>>> > > > > >> >> > > > On Oct 4, 2011 9:03 AM, "archytas" < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>>>>> > > wrote: >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > > > > >> >> > > > > I guess my picture of normal, Chris, would be >>>>>>>>> of an >>>>>>>>> > > ostrich >>>>>>>>> > > > > with >>>>>>>>> > > > > >> >> its >>>>>>>>> > > > > >> >> > > > > head in the sand - these being the people not >>>>>>>>> doing >>>>>>>>> > > > > occupation. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > > > > >> >> > > > > On Oct 4, 8:41 am, Allan H < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> > > > > >> >> > > > >> It is good to see you again Chris and Don.. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > > > > >> >> > > > >> I was thinking (I know a rare event) last >>>>>>>>> night only to >>>>>>>>> > > have >>>>>>>>> > > > > the >>>>>>>>> > > > > >> >> topic >>>>>>>>> > > > > >> >> > > > >> return this morning.. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > > > > >> >> > > > >> After watching all the demonstrations some >>>>>>>>> thing emerged >>>>>>>>> > > > > that >>>>>>>>> > > > > >> >> does not >>>>>>>>> > > > > >> >> > > > make >>>>>>>>> > > > > >> >> > > > >> sense to me nor do I understand. maybe some >>>>>>>>> one can >>>>>>>>> > > > > straighten me >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > ... >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > read more »- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >
