Correct. I was born in Miami, but spent the first ten years of my life between the UK and Western Europe.
On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 8:26 AM, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > Chris wanted to show the normalcy of the Occupy protesters. America and > norms is not really what you automatically associate, not in the land which > prides itself for its freedom of individual rights and expressions. But then > Chris once mentioned that his upbringing was not American. I hear young > people coming back from the U.S. being shocked over the amount of really fat > people in America. CSI and Hollywood has not prepared them for so much > freedom of un-normalcy. > > > On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 7:05 AM, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I would like to know what an american upbringing is... personally I was >> raised on a farm and had to milk the cows by hand morning and night 7 days a >> week.. Didn't mind i was faster than a machine and it is easier to clean a >> milking buck than a milking machine,, we only had 7 cows when I started >> milking (My Dad bought the farm when I was 8 and my russian neighbor taught >> me how to milk quickly... (",) >> >> Not all americans are fat.. generalities generally do not work.. the >> extremely fat people are really not very likely to get involved in anything >> no matter which country they are in. >> Allan >> >> On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 9:59 PM, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Yes, Allan, I remember you mentioned that before. The feeling of shock >>> must have been a reaction to your American upbringing. The tabula rasa myth >>> was an imported myth or so, no? >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 6:54 AM, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Gabby you should look into those who signed the American declaration of >>>> independence as for the Bill of Right is was copied almost verbatim of the >>>> Dutch ill of rights written a hundred years earlier.. You can imagine my >>>> shock when I found that out.. >>>> Allan >>>> >>>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 6:43 AM, Chris Jenkins < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Gabby, I hope you approve. I tried my best to follow rule #10: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150334273466494.348470.722681493&l=b50118df79&type=1 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 12:30 AM, Chris Jenkins < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Actually, we all brought garbage bags, and cleaned up after ourselves. >>>>>> As for finding a job, I've been on the market for over 18 months, with a >>>>>> solid, industry professional resume, and have found nothing. Meanwhile, >>>>>> many >>>>>> of my former colleagues have joined my ranks. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 12:19 AM, [email protected] <[email protected] >>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> The biased media and comics have been trashing conservatives and >>>>>>> ridiculing the Tea Party and various candidiates so you have to >>>>>>> expect >>>>>>> some payback. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> How do these protestors expect to find a job or stay in school if >>>>>>> they >>>>>>> spend all their time protesting? Who will pay for the clean-up? What >>>>>>> business would risk hiring these people? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Most loot is not easily transported. :-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Oct 6, 9:40 pm, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> > I scanned it and agree, a bit bullshitty but one must admire the >>>>>>> hopeful >>>>>>> > tone the writer emits. So the Occupiers are all about coming >>>>>>> together if not >>>>>>> > completely cogent on their reasons for doing so. Where the Tea >>>>>>> Party, to me, >>>>>>> > has mostly been about tax and spending cuts Tthe Occupiers seem, >>>>>>> again to >>>>>>> > me(it's a shame it's still so unclear) to be all about political >>>>>>> corporate >>>>>>> > favoritism. I would hesitate to label the 99%ers as Class Warriors >>>>>>> although >>>>>>> > many of their organizers seem to have this at the top of their >>>>>>> agenda. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > I'm disappointed in the rhetoric from Conservative mouthpieces like >>>>>>> Limbaugh >>>>>>> > that are trashing the movement. Ridiculing the protestors and so >>>>>>> forth. It >>>>>>> > would make more sense to recognize that there are those that are >>>>>>> having some >>>>>>> > tough times and try to help educate those disaffected folks on the >>>>>>> real >>>>>>> > problems which isn't rich people per se. It's bad government. By >>>>>>> both >>>>>>> > Republicans and Democrats. In a nutshell, too much wasteful >>>>>>> spending and not >>>>>>> > enough pin-pointed economic stimulus spending. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Thanks for the link to the Boston Group Arch I'll probably read it >>>>>>> again >>>>>>> > soon. These economist make sense but the real problem is going to >>>>>>> be coming >>>>>>> > up with something everyone can swallow. We sure don't need our very >>>>>>> own >>>>>>> > Reign Of Terror. Nobody wants to give in here. If I was rich I'd be >>>>>>> tired of >>>>>>> > being called the bad guy all the time unless I really was the bad >>>>>>> guy in >>>>>>> > which case I wouldn't care a fig. I'd take my loot and go somewhere >>>>>>> else. >>>>>>> > God help us all. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > dj >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 12:02 PM, archytas <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> > > There's a take on Occupy Wall Street at >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2011/10/matt-stoller-the-anti-politics. >>>>>>> .. >>>>>>> > > - that sounds like Allan - a bit bullshitty (sorry Al - not you) >>>>>>> Chris >>>>>>> > > but an interesting take. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > I can't stand any standard politics now. It's madness. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > On Oct 6, 8:36 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> > > > I think there is where the problem lies,, several decades ago >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> > > > revolution was bassed off ideology differences (the Little Red >>>>>>> Book) >>>>>>> > > this >>>>>>> > > > really was not a valid reason.. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > > today I see >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2011/10/matt-stoller-the-anti-politics...differentworld,, >>>>>>> especially in the US also to a >>>>>>> > > > lesser extent Europe.. in the US there are other problems >>>>>>> there are >>>>>>> > > > existing undergrounds outside of police intelligence,, there >>>>>>> are massive >>>>>>> > > > amounts of weapons out of site and out of mind and other than >>>>>>> the owner >>>>>>> > > no >>>>>>> > > > one knows about them.. Even I still have guns and I no longer >>>>>>> live >>>>>>> > > there.. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > > The US is extremely Large,, there is also a large community of >>>>>>> motor >>>>>>> > > homes >>>>>>> > > > which have the ability move and potentially lower the cost of >>>>>>> living.. >>>>>>> > > > and organize.. the police are not unsympathetic either as they >>>>>>> often >>>>>>> > > times >>>>>>> > > > in the same or similar situation.. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > > I do believe co-op-s will become more plentiful, underground >>>>>>> work will >>>>>>> > > > become more prevalent.. it will change,, I think the start is >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> > > > eliminating the political corruption that is so embedded.. >>>>>>> > > > sigh >>>>>>> > > > Allan >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > > I hate change .. but greed is so wide spread.. a tremendous >>>>>>> lose >>>>>>> > > > of spirituality ,, but fundamentalism may have some perks in >>>>>>> the end,, >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > > On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 5:59 AM, Chris Jenkins < >>>>>>> > > [email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > > > I see BoA as an infinitely powerful entity, and can't imagine >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> > > behemoth >>>>>>> > > > > falling. >>>>>>> > > > > On Oct 5, 2011 10:18 PM, "archytas" <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> > > > > > Pruning ain't the metaphor I'd choose Chris. Dexia Bank has >>>>>>> just gone >>>>>>> > > > > > belly-up - it was 'worth' more than Belgium's GDP. The >>>>>>> 'money' in the >>>>>>> > > > > > banking scam is at factors of ten in comparison with the >>>>>>> world of >>>>>>> > > real >>>>>>> > > > > > work. My view is that it's in the way of capitalism and >>>>>>> democracy. >>>>>>> > > > > > The informed guess is they've been lending to crooks on a >>>>>>> scale >>>>>>> > > vastly >>>>>>> > > > > > bigger than the barrel-loads of dollars gone in Iraq and >>>>>>> Afghanistan >>>>>>> > > > > > without securing any 'mineral rights'. The kleft stick is >>>>>>> that they >>>>>>> > > > > > can only make money through the same old scams, so whatever >>>>>>> we put >>>>>>> > > > > > back in (and I mean we) just does it all over again. In an >>>>>>> > > > > > oversimplified way, much of the debt is like you owing me >>>>>>> $2 million, >>>>>>> > > > > > Don owing 'Francois' $5 million, me owing Molly (etc.) in >>>>>>> an equation >>>>>>> > > > > > in which, if we cancelled out we're all solvent and I owe >>>>>>> Orn a beer >>>>>>> > > > > > he won'r drink. What goes in the cancelling is the banks - >>>>>>> the debts >>>>>>> > > > > > are so networked it's almost like the $2 million you owe me >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> > > > > > balanced by $1.99 million I owe to people who owe you. I've >>>>>>> been >>>>>>> > > > > > teaching the EU figures if anyone is interested (they just >>>>>>> tell this >>>>>>> > > > > > story between EU countries). >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > > > > We've finally seen some reporting here. A Wall Street guy >>>>>>> came on and >>>>>>> > > > > > said he was amazed more people weren't protesting as he >>>>>>> thought true >>>>>>> > > > > > unemployment was at 15% - which is what I reckon here. The >>>>>>> real issue >>>>>>> > > > > > to me is jobs and wages. A key figure for me is that the >>>>>>> bottom 50% >>>>>>> > > > > > back in 1980 had 14% of liquid assets (cash more or less) >>>>>>> and that's >>>>>>> > > > > > down to 1% now. Wages have fallen. The debt problem starts >>>>>>> around >>>>>>> > > > > > 1965 and it's similar in form to similar ones around gold >>>>>>> rushes in >>>>>>> > > > > > history. Most people I've seen on television or met in >>>>>>> Manchester >>>>>>> > > > > > don't know much of the economics but are sick of the lack >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> > > > > > opportunity. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > > > > I was left a house when my cousin died and had to drop the >>>>>>> price by a >>>>>>> > > > > > fifth to sell. There's no decent unskilled or engineering >>>>>>> work around >>>>>>> > > > > > here and jobs are being lost at some rate. Just up the road >>>>>>> we have >>>>>>> > > > > > 64 years of UK energy supply as shale gas about to be >>>>>>> exploited. I >>>>>>> > > > > > worked on the survey 25 years back. You'd think we'd have a >>>>>>> plan >>>>>>> > > > > > around this but there isn't one. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > > > > Political blather is just about getting the economy moving, >>>>>>> our >>>>>>> > > people >>>>>>> > > > > > working. It's all dross. Interestingly, our Republicans >>>>>>> couldn't >>>>>>> > > > > > even fill the seats for the Prime Minister's speech. He's >>>>>>> not a half- >>>>>>> > > > > > wit like Palin but he's claiming his government has dealt >>>>>>> with the >>>>>>> > > > > > banks - yet two of the one's we bailed out are still making >>>>>>> the kinds >>>>>>> > > > > > of losses they were before 2008. One of them,HBOS, was >>>>>>> running a >>>>>>> > > > > > criminal scam that closed many small companies and is not >>>>>>> cooperating >>>>>>> > > > > > with the limited police enquiries. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > > > > I don't think most people know how bad it all is yet. The >>>>>>> collapse of >>>>>>> > > > > > Soc. Gen. and Bank of America should do it - B o A could >>>>>>> even end up >>>>>>> > > > > > Chinese. There are underlying questions on how we get fed >>>>>>> if it all >>>>>>> > > > > > collapses - after all, we're still growing the food. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > > > > On Oct 5, 9:43 pm, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> > > > > >> Great time to live,, revolution is always exciting. Maybe >>>>>>> if the >>>>>>> > > > > bankers >>>>>>> > > > > >> and stock market wake up. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > > > >> Do corporations still agree obey the laws of the state and >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> > > United >>>>>>> > > > > >> state.. and if they don't do they lose their corporate >>>>>>> skirt >>>>>>> > > > > >> Allan >>>>>>> > > > > >> On Oct 5, 2011 7:37 PM, "Chris Jenkins" < >>>>>>> > > [email protected]> >>>>>>> > > > > wrote: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > > > >> > Citizens United was one of the worst rulings in the >>>>>>> entire history >>>>>>> > > of >>>>>>> > > > > the >>>>>>> > > > > >> > Supreme Court. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._Federal_Election_Comm >>>>>>> . >>>>>>> > > > > .. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > > > >> > Restricting unions while empowering corporations in >>>>>>> political >>>>>>> > > speech >>>>>>> > > > > is one >>>>>>> > > > > >> > of the root problems that Occupy hopes to address. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > > > >> > On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 1:17 PM, ornamentalmind < >>>>>>> > > > > [email protected] >>>>>>> > > > > >> > > wrote: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> It looks like the unions are entering into the fray. No >>>>>>> doubt >>>>>>> > > this >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> will accelerate the attacks on them… such as the >>>>>>> proposals to >>>>>>> > > greatly >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> limit and/or not allow political contributions. Perhaps >>>>>>> if they >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> incorporated…. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> http://www.democracynow.org/2011/10/5/as_unions_students_join_occupy_ >>>>>>> . >>>>>>> > > .. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> On Oct 5, 8:02 am, Chris Jenkins < >>>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>>> > > wrote: >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> > And thus the need for education. CDO Swaps and other >>>>>>> bits of >>>>>>> > > > > banking >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> > nastiness that prune money from the system while >>>>>>> contributing >>>>>>> > > > > nothing to >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> it >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> > are part of the problem. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> > On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 7:35 PM, archytas < >>>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>>> > > > > wrote: >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> > > We have Occupy here too - a few tent cities so far >>>>>>> - people >>>>>>> > > also >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> > > making the point they ain't left-wing loonies. I >>>>>>> went to the >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> > > Manchester one yesterday to ask a few people 'why'? >>>>>>> I'm not >>>>>>> > > sure >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> > > heard much that was accurate. Might have a look at >>>>>>> Greece >>>>>>> > > nearer >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> > > Xmas. Most peopleI met yesterday didn't know what >>>>>>> > > collateral- >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> > > derivative fractional banking was. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> > > On Oct 4, 2:40 pm, Chris Jenkins < >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > > > wrote: >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> > > > Well then, reckon we should all grab shovels, >>>>>>> yes? >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> > > > On Oct 4, 2011 9:03 AM, "archytas" < >>>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>>> > > wrote: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> > > > > I guess my picture of normal, Chris, would be >>>>>>> of an >>>>>>> > > ostrich >>>>>>> > > > > with >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> its >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> > > > > head in the sand - these being the people not >>>>>>> doing >>>>>>> > > > > occupation. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> > > > > On Oct 4, 8:41 am, Allan H < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> > > > >> It is good to see you again Chris and Don.. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> > > > >> I was thinking (I know a rare event) last >>>>>>> night only to >>>>>>> > > have >>>>>>> > > > > the >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> topic >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> > > > >> return this morning.. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> > > > >> After watching all the demonstrations some >>>>>>> thing emerged >>>>>>> > > > > that >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> does not >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> > > > make >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> > > > >> sense to me nor do I understand. maybe some >>>>>>> one can >>>>>>> > > > > straighten me >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > ... >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > read more »- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > - Show quoted text - >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> ( >>>> ) >>>> |_D Allan >>>> >>>> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> ( >> ) >> |_D Allan >> >> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living. >> >> >> >
