It's the basis of 'you can make it if you try hard enough'. On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 7:07 AM, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote:
> Had to look up the word,,, never bought it,, neither did my parents,, > Allan > > On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 9:59 PM, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Yes, Allan, I remember you mentioned that before. The feeling of shock >> must have been a reaction to your American upbringing. The tabula rasa myth >> was an imported myth or so, no? >> >> >> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 6:54 AM, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Gabby you should look into those who signed the American declaration of >>> independence as for the Bill of Right is was copied almost verbatim of the >>> Dutch ill of rights written a hundred years earlier.. You can imagine my >>> shock when I found that out.. >>> Allan >>> >>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 6:43 AM, Chris Jenkins < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Gabby, I hope you approve. I tried my best to follow rule #10: >>>> >>>> >>>> https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150334273466494.348470.722681493&l=b50118df79&type=1 >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 12:30 AM, Chris Jenkins < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Actually, we all brought garbage bags, and cleaned up after ourselves. >>>>> As for finding a job, I've been on the market for over 18 months, with a >>>>> solid, industry professional resume, and have found nothing. Meanwhile, >>>>> many >>>>> of my former colleagues have joined my ranks. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 12:19 AM, [email protected] >>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The biased media and comics have been trashing conservatives and >>>>>> ridiculing the Tea Party and various candidiates so you have to expect >>>>>> some payback. >>>>>> >>>>>> How do these protestors expect to find a job or stay in school if they >>>>>> spend all their time protesting? Who will pay for the clean-up? What >>>>>> business would risk hiring these people? >>>>>> >>>>>> Most loot is not easily transported. :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> On Oct 6, 9:40 pm, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> > I scanned it and agree, a bit bullshitty but one must admire the >>>>>> hopeful >>>>>> > tone the writer emits. So the Occupiers are all about coming >>>>>> together if not >>>>>> > completely cogent on their reasons for doing so. Where the Tea >>>>>> Party, to me, >>>>>> > has mostly been about tax and spending cuts Tthe Occupiers seem, >>>>>> again to >>>>>> > me(it's a shame it's still so unclear) to be all about political >>>>>> corporate >>>>>> > favoritism. I would hesitate to label the 99%ers as Class Warriors >>>>>> although >>>>>> > many of their organizers seem to have this at the top of their >>>>>> agenda. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > I'm disappointed in the rhetoric from Conservative mouthpieces like >>>>>> Limbaugh >>>>>> > that are trashing the movement. Ridiculing the protestors and so >>>>>> forth. It >>>>>> > would make more sense to recognize that there are those that are >>>>>> having some >>>>>> > tough times and try to help educate those disaffected folks on the >>>>>> real >>>>>> > problems which isn't rich people per se. It's bad government. By >>>>>> both >>>>>> > Republicans and Democrats. In a nutshell, too much wasteful spending >>>>>> and not >>>>>> > enough pin-pointed economic stimulus spending. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Thanks for the link to the Boston Group Arch I'll probably read it >>>>>> again >>>>>> > soon. These economist make sense but the real problem is going to be >>>>>> coming >>>>>> > up with something everyone can swallow. We sure don't need our very >>>>>> own >>>>>> > Reign Of Terror. Nobody wants to give in here. If I was rich I'd be >>>>>> tired of >>>>>> > being called the bad guy all the time unless I really was the bad >>>>>> guy in >>>>>> > which case I wouldn't care a fig. I'd take my loot and go somewhere >>>>>> else. >>>>>> > God help us all. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > dj >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 12:02 PM, archytas <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> > > There's a take on Occupy Wall Street at >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2011/10/matt-stoller-the-anti-politics. >>>>>> .. >>>>>> > > - that sounds like Allan - a bit bullshitty (sorry Al - not you) >>>>>> Chris >>>>>> > > but an interesting take. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > I can't stand any standard politics now. It's madness. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > On Oct 6, 8:36 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> > > > I think there is where the problem lies,, several decades ago >>>>>> the >>>>>> > > > revolution was bassed off ideology differences (the Little Red >>>>>> Book) >>>>>> > > this >>>>>> > > > really was not a valid reason.. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > today I see >>>>>> > > >>>>>> http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2011/10/matt-stoller-the-anti-politics...differentworld,, >>>>>> especially in the US also to a >>>>>> > > > lesser extent Europe.. in the US there are other problems there >>>>>> are >>>>>> > > > existing undergrounds outside of police intelligence,, there >>>>>> are massive >>>>>> > > > amounts of weapons out of site and out of mind and other than >>>>>> the owner >>>>>> > > no >>>>>> > > > one knows about them.. Even I still have guns and I no longer >>>>>> live >>>>>> > > there.. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > The US is extremely Large,, there is also a large community of >>>>>> motor >>>>>> > > homes >>>>>> > > > which have the ability move and potentially lower the cost of >>>>>> living.. >>>>>> > > > and organize.. the police are not unsympathetic either as they >>>>>> often >>>>>> > > times >>>>>> > > > in the same or similar situation.. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > I do believe co-op-s will become more plentiful, underground >>>>>> work will >>>>>> > > > become more prevalent.. it will change,, I think the start is >>>>>> in >>>>>> > > > eliminating the political corruption that is so embedded.. >>>>>> > > > sigh >>>>>> > > > Allan >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > I hate change .. but greed is so wide spread.. a tremendous >>>>>> lose >>>>>> > > > of spirituality ,, but fundamentalism may have some perks in >>>>>> the end,, >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 5:59 AM, Chris Jenkins < >>>>>> > > [email protected]>wrote: >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > I see BoA as an infinitely powerful entity, and can't imagine >>>>>> the >>>>>> > > behemoth >>>>>> > > > > falling. >>>>>> > > > > On Oct 5, 2011 10:18 PM, "archytas" <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> > > > > > Pruning ain't the metaphor I'd choose Chris. Dexia Bank has >>>>>> just gone >>>>>> > > > > > belly-up - it was 'worth' more than Belgium's GDP. The >>>>>> 'money' in the >>>>>> > > > > > banking scam is at factors of ten in comparison with the >>>>>> world of >>>>>> > > real >>>>>> > > > > > work. My view is that it's in the way of capitalism and >>>>>> democracy. >>>>>> > > > > > The informed guess is they've been lending to crooks on a >>>>>> scale >>>>>> > > vastly >>>>>> > > > > > bigger than the barrel-loads of dollars gone in Iraq and >>>>>> Afghanistan >>>>>> > > > > > without securing any 'mineral rights'. The kleft stick is >>>>>> that they >>>>>> > > > > > can only make money through the same old scams, so whatever >>>>>> we put >>>>>> > > > > > back in (and I mean we) just does it all over again. In an >>>>>> > > > > > oversimplified way, much of the debt is like you owing me $2 >>>>>> million, >>>>>> > > > > > Don owing 'Francois' $5 million, me owing Molly (etc.) in an >>>>>> equation >>>>>> > > > > > in which, if we cancelled out we're all solvent and I owe >>>>>> Orn a beer >>>>>> > > > > > he won'r drink. What goes in the cancelling is the banks - >>>>>> the debts >>>>>> > > > > > are so networked it's almost like the $2 million you owe me >>>>>> is >>>>>> > > > > > balanced by $1.99 million I owe to people who owe you. I've >>>>>> been >>>>>> > > > > > teaching the EU figures if anyone is interested (they just >>>>>> tell this >>>>>> > > > > > story between EU countries). >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > > We've finally seen some reporting here. A Wall Street guy >>>>>> came on and >>>>>> > > > > > said he was amazed more people weren't protesting as he >>>>>> thought true >>>>>> > > > > > unemployment was at 15% - which is what I reckon here. The >>>>>> real issue >>>>>> > > > > > to me is jobs and wages. A key figure for me is that the >>>>>> bottom 50% >>>>>> > > > > > back in 1980 had 14% of liquid assets (cash more or less) >>>>>> and that's >>>>>> > > > > > down to 1% now. Wages have fallen. The debt problem starts >>>>>> around >>>>>> > > > > > 1965 and it's similar in form to similar ones around gold >>>>>> rushes in >>>>>> > > > > > history. Most people I've seen on television or met in >>>>>> Manchester >>>>>> > > > > > don't know much of the economics but are sick of the lack of >>>>>> > > > > > opportunity. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > > I was left a house when my cousin died and had to drop the >>>>>> price by a >>>>>> > > > > > fifth to sell. There's no decent unskilled or engineering >>>>>> work around >>>>>> > > > > > here and jobs are being lost at some rate. Just up the road >>>>>> we have >>>>>> > > > > > 64 years of UK energy supply as shale gas about to be >>>>>> exploited. I >>>>>> > > > > > worked on the survey 25 years back. You'd think we'd have a >>>>>> plan >>>>>> > > > > > around this but there isn't one. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > > Political blather is just about getting the economy moving, >>>>>> our >>>>>> > > people >>>>>> > > > > > working. It's all dross. Interestingly, our Republicans >>>>>> couldn't >>>>>> > > > > > even fill the seats for the Prime Minister's speech. He's >>>>>> not a half- >>>>>> > > > > > wit like Palin but he's claiming his government has dealt >>>>>> with the >>>>>> > > > > > banks - yet two of the one's we bailed out are still making >>>>>> the kinds >>>>>> > > > > > of losses they were before 2008. One of them,HBOS, was >>>>>> running a >>>>>> > > > > > criminal scam that closed many small companies and is not >>>>>> cooperating >>>>>> > > > > > with the limited police enquiries. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > > I don't think most people know how bad it all is yet. The >>>>>> collapse of >>>>>> > > > > > Soc. Gen. and Bank of America should do it - B o A could >>>>>> even end up >>>>>> > > > > > Chinese. There are underlying questions on how we get fed if >>>>>> it all >>>>>> > > > > > collapses - after all, we're still growing the food. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > > On Oct 5, 9:43 pm, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> > > > > >> Great time to live,, revolution is always exciting. Maybe >>>>>> if the >>>>>> > > > > bankers >>>>>> > > > > >> and stock market wake up. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > >> Do corporations still agree obey the laws of the state and >>>>>> the >>>>>> > > United >>>>>> > > > > >> state.. and if they don't do they lose their corporate >>>>>> skirt >>>>>> > > > > >> Allan >>>>>> > > > > >> On Oct 5, 2011 7:37 PM, "Chris Jenkins" < >>>>>> > > [email protected]> >>>>>> > > > > wrote: >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > >> > Citizens United was one of the worst rulings in the >>>>>> entire history >>>>>> > > of >>>>>> > > > > the >>>>>> > > > > >> > Supreme Court. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._Federal_Election_Comm >>>>>> . >>>>>> > > > > .. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > >> > Restricting unions while empowering corporations in >>>>>> political >>>>>> > > speech >>>>>> > > > > is one >>>>>> > > > > >> > of the root problems that Occupy hopes to address. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > >> > On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 1:17 PM, ornamentalmind < >>>>>> > > > > [email protected] >>>>>> > > > > >> > > wrote: >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > >> >> It looks like the unions are entering into the fray. No >>>>>> doubt >>>>>> > > this >>>>>> > > > > >> >> will accelerate the attacks on them… such as the >>>>>> proposals to >>>>>> > > greatly >>>>>> > > > > >> >> limit and/or not allow political contributions. Perhaps >>>>>> if they >>>>>> > > > > >> >> incorporated…. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> http://www.democracynow.org/2011/10/5/as_unions_students_join_occupy_ >>>>>> . >>>>>> > > .. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > >> >> On Oct 5, 8:02 am, Chris Jenkins < >>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>> > > wrote: >>>>>> > > > > >> >> > And thus the need for education. CDO Swaps and other >>>>>> bits of >>>>>> > > > > banking >>>>>> > > > > >> >> > nastiness that prune money from the system while >>>>>> contributing >>>>>> > > > > nothing to >>>>>> > > > > >> >> it >>>>>> > > > > >> >> > are part of the problem. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > >> >> > On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 7:35 PM, archytas < >>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>> > > > > wrote: >>>>>> > > > > >> >> > > We have Occupy here too - a few tent cities so far - >>>>>> people >>>>>> > > also >>>>>> > > > > >> >> > > making the point they ain't left-wing loonies. I >>>>>> went to the >>>>>> > > > > >> >> > > Manchester one yesterday to ask a few people 'why'? >>>>>> I'm not >>>>>> > > sure >>>>>> > > > > >> >> > > heard much that was accurate. Might have a look at >>>>>> Greece >>>>>> > > nearer >>>>>> > > > > >> >> > > Xmas. Most peopleI met yesterday didn't know what >>>>>> > > collateral- >>>>>> > > > > >> >> > > derivative fractional banking was. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > >> >> > > On Oct 4, 2:40 pm, Chris Jenkins < >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > wrote: >>>>>> > > > > >> >> > > > Well then, reckon we should all grab shovels, yes? >>>>>> > > > > >> >> > > > On Oct 4, 2011 9:03 AM, "archytas" < >>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>> > > wrote: >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > >> >> > > > > I guess my picture of normal, Chris, would be of >>>>>> an >>>>>> > > ostrich >>>>>> > > > > with >>>>>> > > > > >> >> its >>>>>> > > > > >> >> > > > > head in the sand - these being the people not >>>>>> doing >>>>>> > > > > occupation. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > >> >> > > > > On Oct 4, 8:41 am, Allan H < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> > > > > >> >> > > > >> It is good to see you again Chris and Don.. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > >> >> > > > >> I was thinking (I know a rare event) last night >>>>>> only to >>>>>> > > have >>>>>> > > > > the >>>>>> > > > > >> >> topic >>>>>> > > > > >> >> > > > >> return this morning.. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > >> >> > > > >> After watching all the demonstrations some >>>>>> thing emerged >>>>>> > > > > that >>>>>> > > > > >> >> does not >>>>>> > > > > >> >> > > > make >>>>>> > > > > >> >> > > > >> sense to me nor do I understand. maybe some one >>>>>> can >>>>>> > > > > straighten me >>>>>> > >>>>>> > ... >>>>>> > >>>>>> > read more »- Hide quoted text - >>>>>> > >>>>>> > - Show quoted text - >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> ( >>> ) >>> |_D Allan >>> >>> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living. >>> >>> >>> >> > > > -- > ( > ) > |_D Allan > > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living. > > >
