Konara,, eon ago or so it seemed I worked on a experimental programming that created artificial intelligence.. It was very advanced when I worked on it I am sure it far more advanced than when I left the project ,, It was very interesting what you can get a computer to do with the right programming..and at the time all we had to work with was a cray-1.. with todays computers that language should be awesome. Allan
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 4:11 AM, Konara Abeyrathne <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear all-Machines are created.invented on the basis of the > knowledge,skills and creativity of one's mind.the power and the > eficacyof the mind, if it sharpens is unable to predict. > > On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 5:26 AM, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: >> OK, I deleted all the words not to be trusted. Here is the rest: >> My dyslexic friend Lee wishes we were all able to read on the same >> page, flattening and thereby banning the dancing shadows and ghosts to >> clearly contrasted black letters on a white ground. On the other side, >> as Rigs points out, speech whitens itself on this ground. Neil's >> suggestion for a transparent hypertext in a contextualised world won't >> make any of the sides fade into meaninglessness then. >> >> >> On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 5:50 AM, James <[email protected]> wrote: >>> We may be on the same page Gabby, my imagined future possibilities are still >>> clouded by unknowns (to me). That I consider a consequence of mental bondage >>> to current circumstances, and left unchecked can be demoralizing to creative >>> intelligence. As far as I can tell we are meant to invent solutions to >>> challenges, and hold on as long as possible until the opportunity arises. My >>> opinion is that we can do little to force change but as facilitators we can >>> pursue strategic challenges that will open those opportunities. >>> >>> If I said that in 10 years the technology should be accessible to refine >>> garbage, wood or any other fuel into electricity at 80+ conversion >>> efficiency from common household materials in your average (modern) garage >>> there is no shortage of engineers that would call me a quack. If I said that >>> you could do it today with moderate access to materials refining equipment, >>> with a net generated income over the winter months, and it could be boosted >>> by running a greenhouse and indoor fishery I would be surely nuts. SOFC, >>> steam reforming, plasma reduction, pyrolytic reduction are a few terms for >>> that type of nut. >>> >>> I think we are missing the spirit of engineering in our social and political >>> dialogue. It could just be me.. we seem to be able to redefine just about >>> any kind of waste into an asset, but we insist that primitive human traits >>> are superior and sacrosanct. >>> >>> Navigating awkward transitions, that is what I think we are doing (not >>> necessarily excellently, but making progress). Still passin' the buck here, >>> your turn. Sorry for no answer Archy, too bad telepathy isn't an option >>> because the picture is clear but I just don't trust the words yet. >>> >>> >>> On 10/4/2012 5:14 AM, gabbydott wrote: >>>> >>>> That's right. Us end consumers of your brilliant ideas need time to >>>> consume your complex theories in simple practice for you to see where >>>> we fail to get your idea for you to better educate and motivate us. :p >>>> >>>> On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 4:25 AM, James<[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I was hoping we could evolve sociologically in step with technology, that >>>>> implies an intelligent management infrastructure that educates and >>>>> motivates >>>>> free agents to make contributions to the works of humanity. Suitably >>>>> educated in the workings of organisms (especially how they relate and >>>>> compare to man), the arts, sciences, elimination of destitution, poverty, >>>>> mental illnesses, the list goes on.. It requires that we manage things >>>>> intelligently, learn from mistakes and move forward. If this progress >>>>> happened in a 100 years I think we would likely reduce our population to >>>>> half within the next hundred, there is nothing logical about reproducing >>>>> ad >>>>> infinitum and by then the social costs should be obvious enough, added to >>>>> the lack of need as we extend the human lifespan. I think we have a large >>>>> potential in voluntary acts. >>>>> >>>>> Who is pie in the sky now? :p >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 10/3/2012 5:57 PM, archytas wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> If workers aren't needed for work, what will happen to them? The >>>>>> animal and plant world answer is generally a 'return to nutrients'. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 3 Oct, 09:57, Shekila Tieschmaker<[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> how do you get out this group thing ? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ________________________________ >>>>>>>> From: James<[email protected]> >>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2012 10:26 PM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye thought experiments >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Well it is far worse (or better depending on who is looking at it), >>>>>>>> many >>>>>>>> of the older trades and crafts-people I've met had an appreciation for >>>>>>>> seeing their work as an artform. That would be my robot heaven, >>>>>>>> working >>>>>>>> toward a world where we can all pursue meaning and purposeful work >>>>>>>> without >>>>>>>> the burden of resource scarcity. What would it matter that someone >>>>>>>> wants to >>>>>>>> be a plumber or architect in a day when those positions are obsolete, >>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>> that is pursuing meaning, it would matter little more than what >>>>>>>> restaurant >>>>>>>> someone likes to the next guy. In a world that valued human >>>>>>>> contribution it >>>>>>>> might be a plus, there is a name associated with the foundation of my >>>>>>>> home, >>>>>>>> or certain furniture or I tweaked my engine to respond exactly the way >>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>> like in a curve, finding a way to shield a planet from gamma >>>>>>>> radiation, >>>>>>>> optimizing resource allocations in complex evolving environments from >>>>>>>> nanotech on up to transport vessels for interplanetary mining and >>>>>>>> settlement, etc.. >>>>>>>> Back to the present time and scale there is the matter of plotting a >>>>>>>> course of innovation by meeting challenges. >>>>>>>> Laziness might be a challenge, and frailty, I haven't met many people >>>>>>>> who have had to wash clothes in a bathtub complain about the >>>>>>>> advancement of >>>>>>>> the washing machine, or get whimsical about enduring ailments we've >>>>>>>> found >>>>>>>> remedies or therapies for. We seem to be in a transitional stage, not >>>>>>>> quite >>>>>>>> coming to grips with the world we could create. Psychology is >>>>>>>> important to >>>>>>>> survival, nonproductive time as some call it, I eye some of them as >>>>>>>> suspect >>>>>>>> sociopaths. Being motivated can be very rewarding, it is too bad that >>>>>>>> out >>>>>>>> word for meaningfully motivated is "naive". I'm taking the long way >>>>>>>> 'round >>>>>>>> with this. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 9/19/2012 5:56 PM, archytas wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thought experiments are devices of the imagination used to >>>>>>>>> investigate >>>>>>>>> the nature of things. Thought experimenting often takes place when >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> method of variation is employed in entertaining imaginative >>>>>>>>> suppositions. They are used for diverse reasons in a variety of >>>>>>>>> areas, >>>>>>>>> including economics, history, mathematics, philosophy, and physics. >>>>>>>>> Most often thought experiments are communicated in narrative form, >>>>>>>>> sometimes through media like a diagram. Thought experiments should be >>>>>>>>> distinguished from thinking about experiments, from merely imagining >>>>>>>>> any experiments to be conducted outside the imagination, and from >>>>>>>>> psychological experiments with thoughts. They should also be >>>>>>>>> distinguished from counterfactual reasoning in general, as they seem >>>>>>>>> to require an experimental element. >>>>>>>>> http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/thought-experiment/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> One I like is the notion of robot heaven. It's easy enough to >>>>>>>>> imagine >>>>>>>>> a time when machines grow our food, build our shelter and do our >>>>>>>>> work. The interesting stuff comes in thinking what this would mean >>>>>>>>> for wealth distribution and the nature of society. What work would >>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>> left to do? One can also wonder what place any of our work ethics >>>>>>>>> would have in such a society. There may be some deconstructive >>>>>>>>> effect >>>>>>>>> on just what current work ideologies are in place for. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> One of the great improvements technology brought to my life is more >>>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>> less never having to go into a bank. The only real innovations in >>>>>>>>> banking are the ATM and electronic banking. This kind of technology >>>>>>>>> and similar in agriculture and industry fundamentally reduce the >>>>>>>>> amount of human effort to grow and make what we need. We are in >>>>>>>>> partial state of robot heaven. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Our ideologies are not up to speed. Real unemployment is massive and >>>>>>>>> education does little to provide job skills. We are sold life-styles >>>>>>>>> and products by insane advertising. Job creation seems to be in >>>>>>>>> perverse areas like financial services or bringing back attended gas- >>>>>>>>> pumps. With more efficient production we should be able to afford a >>>>>>>>> bigger social sector and I can't for the life of me understand why we >>>>>>>>> allow competition through crap wages and conditions. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> A great deal of what we pay for could be available more or less free. >>>>>>>>> Educational content and utility banking are examples - these are >>>>>>>>> areas >>>>>>>>> that could be ratinalised like agriculture and manufacturing. >>>>>>>>> Millions of jobs would go. We should be asking why jobs are so >>>>>>>>> central to out thinking on wealth distribution and how we might >>>>>>>>> encourage work without the rat race. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> >> >> > > -- > > > -- ( ) |_D Allan Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living. I am a Natural Airgunner - Full of Hot Air & Ready To Expel It Quickly. --
