I must be in one of my dumb days this is not make any if little sense Allan
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 8:09 PM, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > To speak of "humans" is to bring into our consideration unimaginable > diversity with various analog measures of essentially three natures in their > capacity and drive : > > - Inertia...dullness, sloth, stillness, unwillingness, regressive, weighted, > heavy [ ego- id ] > > - Active... drive, curiosity, vitality, senses, daring, strength, power > [ ego- mind ] > > - Calm... balance, freedom, focus, awareness, knowledge > [ ego - intellect ] > > The way these natures determine us -- > > I Overall, by the proportion of their meaures in our capacity > > II In Time, by their predominance over others at any point in time. > > > For instance, a person with 70 : 15 :10 combo would be lazy overall. > > But at a time when his vitality is on the flare, he will show unexpectedted > zeal. > > Or, when calm nature predominates, he will be surprisingly awake and > receptive. > > > To answer your question, ALL things could be useful and can become a means > for our self-improvement as aid to memory, focus to gather ourself around, > activity to engage in so as to free ourself from our own ill-thoughts and > predispositions, process to build up our concentration and conserve our > vitality, etc. > > In particular, most people have a need of symbols and myths... a form to > see, remeber or imagine in order to conceive of that which is intangible. > Geometry uses a lot of it for space. The idols in temples or god-persons of > yore are a means of reminding us of ourselves, beyond the piggish, mulish or > cocky form we take on in our lives. > > Rituals and ceremonies engage us, our vitality and mind, to a particular > emotion or thought in our spirit. Armed forces regularly make use of this > form of engagement. > > Ethics and morals are extremely intangible and tenuous matters for most > human beings. In addition, they are difficult to carry and institute in > ourselves. It is so much easier to be wilful, to give ourselves away, and to > indulge. > > Religion, as i was introduced to, was more in the way of propping us up by > morals and ethics, beauty and happiness, compassion and freedom. > > Once the the overall nature is transformed into being calm, especially when > needed, to holding on to ethics and morals in our person ... religion is not > of much use, nor are symbols and rituals. > > Going by what I see however, in news and life in general, that time is not > yet come for most people on this planet. > > > On Thursday, October 18, 2012 6:56:47 AM UTC+5:30, rigsy03 wrote: >> >> Do humans need rituals and ceremonies in your opinion? I think I >> remember Joseph Campbell saying they were necessary. Are they or have >> we transformed them in the modern era? Were they instituted as a way >> of belonging? Have we lost or gained? Will civil organizations have >> the same power as religious/ethical? Is a civil prison hell, purgatory >> or limbo? Do you know the USA has the highest number of prisons/ >> prisoners in the world? (At least a few years ago.) >> >> On Oct 16, 12:45 am, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Agree entirely, Rigs ! >> > >> > The " your-God - my-God " argument ... and "God power" ... ** sigh *** >> > >> > I believe, Jethro Tull says much of what I feel in : *"My God"* >> > >> > People -- what have you done -- >> > locked Him in His golden cage. >> > Made Him bend to your religion -- >> > Him resurrected from the grave. >> > >> > He is the god of nothing -- >> > if that's all that you can see. >> > >> > You are the god of everything -- >> > He's inside you and me. >> > >> > So lean upon Him gently >> > and don't call on Him to save you >> > from your social graces >> > and the sins you used to waive. >> > The bloody Church of England -- >> > in chains of history -- >> > requests your earthly presence at >> > the vicarage for tea. >> > >> > And the graven image you-know-who -- >> > with His plastic crucifix -- >> > he's got him fixed -- >> > confuses me as to who and where and why -- >> > as to how he gets his kicks. >> > >> > Confessing to the endless sin -- >> > the endless whining sounds. >> > You'll be praying till next Thursday to >> > all the gods that you can count. >> > >> > >> > >> > On Tuesday, October 16, 2012 8:01:47 AM UTC+5:30, rigsy03 wrote: >> > >> > > "God powers" might also be a way of saying possession of grace in a >> > > religious sense. Not sure what race has to do with this as we humans >> > > arrive with the same form- what separates us is equity in several >> > > ways. Political structure is a matter of timing and luck plus picking >> > > the right side/group for the most part if you insist humans are >> > > political by nature. I think there are agreed principals of ethical >> > > behavior- universals- murked up with particulars. There is also a >> > > recognition of evil as a force to contend with- internal and external. >> > >> > > On Oct 15, 6:40 pm, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > > I'll pick up the stone >> > > > >> > > > (http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/10/07/reasons-matter-when-i...) >> > >> > > > and argue that I cannot know if your Gods are false or not. Not >> > > > because I am not a religious man, or a black man, or a political >> > > > man, >> > > > but because I am an individual and thereby only possess restrained >> > > > demonstrable God powers myself. >> > >> > > > On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > > > All Gods that religious men speak about, brandish shall we say, >> > > > > are >> > > false. >> > >> > > > > The one distributing those "commandments" included. >> > >> > > > > Which is not what I would say about individuals who take >> > > > > initiatives >> > > to >> > > > > restrict people from moral turpitude and unethical conduct. >> > >> > > > > On Monday, October 15, 2012 11:01:46 AM UTC+5:30, Allan Heretic >> > > > > wrote: >> > >> > > > >> doesn't one of the commandments say something about false gods? >> > > > >> Allan >> > >> > > > >> On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 6:15 AM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> >> > > > >> wrote: >> > > > >> > Thank you, Vam- I hope it is another precious visit. >> > >> > > > >> > Politics has become a "religion", as well. Just substitue a few >> > > words >> > > > >> > in your paragraph. :-) >> > >> > > > >> > On Oct 13, 5:38 pm, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > > >> >> Rigs, I can't help but think of the presence of a daughter and >> > > > >> >> her >> > > > >> >> family >> > > > >> >> as " Happy Times " with grand-daughters ... noise, play, >> > > > >> >> shout, >> > > > >> >> request, >> > > > >> >> demand and irritate, reminisce and gossip ,,, ! Hope it >> > > > >> >> acrually >> > > turns >> > > > >> >> to >> > > > >> >> be a happy interlude . >> > >> > > > >> >> I have no doubts about severely debilitating and cosmic >> > > > >> >> effects of >> > > > >> >> religions that junk reason and humanity, and demand their >> > > adherents too >> > > > >> >> to >> > > > >> >> remain steadfast with the irrational. An institutional frame >> > > > >> >> of >> > > clerics >> > > > >> >> and >> > > > >> >> clergy for global control is no more than a prison, covered >> > > > >> >> with >> > > very >> > > > >> >> beguiling but false promise of freedom. >> > >> > > > >> >> On Saturday, October 13, 2012 6:20:40 PM UTC+5:30, rigsy03 >> > > > >> >> wrote: >> > >> > > > >> >> > Not sure if religion, cults, tribal mischief did not have >> > > > >> >> > the >> > > same >> > > > >> >> > effect Vam. Consider the countless wars, for instance. But I >> > > think >> > > > >> >> > western man has turn the Age of Machines into a new religion >> > > > >> >> > and >> > > one >> > > > >> >> > could draw many parallels- and has, via artists and authors. >> > > Anyway, >> > > > >> >> > after spending way too much time finding a new niche for my >> > > morning >> > > > >> >> > coffee maker before my daughter and two grand-daughters come >> > > > >> >> > for >> > > the >> > > > >> >> > Xmas holidays (!), I have certainly racked up the equivalent >> > > > >> >> > of >> > > a >> > > > >> >> > novena! BTW, a couple of years ago I noticed my feet were >> > > slightly >> > > > >> >> > stiff in the morning and I worried that my flight to the >> > > > >> >> > kitchen >> > > for >> > > > >> >> > a >> > > > >> >> > mug of coffee could be perilous so I bought one of those >> > > > >> >> > small >> > > coffee >> > > > >> >> > makers for the upstairs and now include a muffin- just to >> > > > >> >> > rev up >> > > the >> > > > >> >> > joints before I seize the day. :-) Anyway, this might be a >> > > > >> >> > good >> > > idea >> > > > >> >> > for any who need to warm/rev up. (This is my machine >> > > confession.) On >> > > > >> >> > the other hand, I have been negotiating with the Divine for >> > > > >> >> > a >> > > new >> > > > >> >> > lawn/ >> > > > >> >> > snow guy and I am on the brink of success! lol >> > >> > > > >> >> > On Oct 11, 6:28 am, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > > >> >> > > Bingo ! * sounding the drums * >> > >> > > > >> >> > > But what gives it the merit also renders science blind to >> > > > >> >> > > much >> > > that >> > > > >> >> > > is >> > > > >> >> > > essential to our humanity, which are abstract and >> > > > >> >> > > non-material >> > > ... >> > > > >> >> > beauty, >> > > > >> >> > > ethics, morals, truth, compassion, happiness, love, etc. >> > >> > > > >> >> > > Albert Einstein expressed is eloquently ... as have >> > > > >> >> > > several >> > > others. >> > >> > > > >> >> > > There has been much since science overwhelmed us. But >> > > everytime it >> > > > >> >> > > has >> > > > >> >> > > served to delete a part or measure of our humanity, >> > > > >> >> > > mankind >> > > has >> > > > >> >> > > struck a >> > > > >> >> > > blow at its own foot ! >> > >> > > > >> >> > > On Wednesday, October 10, 2012 5:46:04 PM UTC+5:30, >> > > > >> >> > > rigsy03 >> > > wrote: >> > >> > > > >> >> > > > I wasn't clear. I was thinking about new ideas and >> > > inventions >> > > > >> >> > > > which >> > > > >> >> > > > made older ideas and inventions obsolete or mere >> > > > >> >> > > > stepping >> > > stones >> > > > >> >> > > > to a >> > > > >> >> > > > greater truth. Science seems more open to changes and >> > > advances >> > > > >> >> > > > for the >> > > > >> >> > > > most part though Darwin had a struggle but that was >> > > > >> >> > > > because >> > > he >> > > > >> >> > > > stepped >> > > > >> >> > > > into religious territory which might mean that we are >> > > > >> >> > > > more >> > > open >> > > > >> >> > > > to >> > > > >> >> > > > change when it does not involve emotions and beliefs >> > > > >> >> > > > versus >> > > > >> >> > > > demonstrable facts. >> > >> > > > >> >> > > > On Oct 9, 9:08 am, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > > >> >> > > > > It will still be more clever than the rest ! >> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > On Tuesday, October 9, 2012 5:04:27 PM UTC+5:30, >> > > > >> >> > > > > rigsy03 >> > > wrote: >> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > Until the next cleverest man/woman comes along! :-) >> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > On Oct 8, 5:56 pm, Vam <[email protected]> >> > > > >> >> > > > > > wrote: >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > " Machines are only as clever as they have been >> > > programmed >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > to >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > be. In some cases that may mean smarter than some >> > > humans >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > for >> > > > >> >> > > > specific >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > acts or purposes ... " >> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > If a machine is programmed by the cleverest man, >> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > it would not be ' only ' as clever as it has been >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > programmed >> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > but it would be more clever than every other man >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > on >> > > the >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > planet ! >> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > On Monday, October 8, 2012 5:01:02 PM UTC+5:30, >> > > rigsy03 >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > wrote: >> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > > And certain ants have also figured out how to >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > > enter >> > > the >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > > honey >> > > > >> >> > bee >> > > > >> >> > > > as a >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > > parasite which has an ominous impact on >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > > pollination. >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > > Species >> > > > >> >> > pick >> > > > >> >> > > > up >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > > their behaviors from their groups- some are more >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > > dedicated- >> > > > >> >> > > > patterns >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > > can be disrupted.// Anyway, aren't you equating >> > > worth >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > > with >> > > > >> >> > money/ >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > > salary?//Machines are only as clever as they >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > > have >> > > been >> > > > >> >> > programmed >> > > > >> >> > > > to >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > > be. In some cases that may mean smarter than >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > > some >> > > humans >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > > for >> > > > >> >> > > > specific >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > > acts or purposes but still short of general >> > > intelligence, >> > > > >> >> > insight >> > > > >> >> > > > and >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > > adaptation.// Old age is not necessarily >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > > "lousey" >> > > except >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > > the >> > > > >> >> > final >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > > chapter is death and certain goals were not >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > > realized >> > > or >> > > > >> >> > possible. >> > > > >> >> > > > Hard >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > > work/age does not create arthritis- that is a >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > > myth. >> > > The >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > > 12 >> > > > >> >> > year >> > > > >> >> > > > old >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > > across the street has arthritis and started some >> > > exercise >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > > for >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > > violinists. >> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > > On Oct 7, 9:51 am, archytas <[email protected]> >> > > wrote: >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > The archaeological evidence is that such >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > things as >> > > the >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > move >> > > > >> >> > to >> > > > >> >> > > > > > farming >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > from hunter-gathering did not improve the >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > human >> > > lot for >> > > > >> >> > those >> > > > >> >> > > > who >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > cleared and dug sod (arthritis etc. from the >> > > work). >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > The >> > > > >> >> > obvious >> > > > >> >> > > > > > issue >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > for present society concerns the >> > >> > ... >> > >> > read more ยป- Hide quoted text - >> > >> > - Show quoted text - > > -- > > > -- ( ) |_D Allan Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living. 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