Looking for God outside oneself can lead to magical gang gods at a level where only the fit and corrupt survive. Many fairy tales are imbued with mystical thinking, including the bible.
On Monday, October 29, 2012 5:20:17 AM UTC-4, gabbydott wrote: > > I don't know why these far-away and up-above gods and godesses never > really made it into my heart. Maybe the down-to-earth fairy tales > resembled my surroundings much more. It gives me the creeps when > little street gangstas are referring to Nemesis and believe they have > got the key to the kingdom now. > > > On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 4:35 AM, rigsy03 <[email protected] <javascript:>> > wrote: > > I pray to a God everyday but am not sure which one. He is male and > > seems helpful. Today he bolstered my strength rearranging some > > furniture then rebolstered me moving stuff back as it was. However, I > > cooked a hearty meal of steak, potatoes and asparagus for insurance.// > > I think the Greek and Roman gods and goddesses represent human nature > > and traits- really provide some valuable insights for mere mortals. > > > > On Oct 28, 12:45 pm, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Ah Lee, by that time you would have forgotten where you were coming > from! > >> > >> I like monotheism, because it supports my view of myself as an > >> individual. And it allows me to act upon it as such. I am aware that I > >> am a social being though. Polytheism would be able to account for > >> that, but would probably only confuse me. > >> > >> > >> > >> On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 6:20 PM, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > Well that is true Rigsy, and perhaps your prediction is also true. > However > >> > religious faith is 'unreasonable' belief. As it is my stance that we > all > >> > hold to some of these along the way, then perhaps it is a wholly > >> > human/sentient being trait and we'll not be rid of it, only time will > tell. > >> > Just one of the reasons I want to reach at least 400 years old. > >> > >> > On Sunday, October 28, 2012 12:52:50 PM UTC, rigsy03 wrote: > >> > >> >> Really? What about the Italian scientists who face prison time for > >> >> failing to predict the severity of an earthquake? What harmony under > >> >> the mantle of monotheism? Science and technology will make god(s) > >> >> obsolete and society can still be managed through various value > >> >> systems based on new realities and methods of control. Presently, we > >> >> are trying to integrate two oppositional positions which accounts > for > >> >> a good amount of absurdity and disappointment. As extinct creatures > >> >> might have warned us, sentimentality is deadly. > >> > >> >> On Oct 28, 2:12 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > I really do not see much beyond monotheism atheism holds little > but > >> >> > wishful madness, and as for polytheism the universes would be > totally > >> >> > different.. Just doesn't work.. You are right arrogance is a > >> >> > tremendous problem which I seriously doubt man will over come.. > those > >> >> > that are arrogant have little reason to change.. It is the > monotheism > >> >> > that keeps some what harmony,, the problems I see come from man > >> >> > changing the laws of God that have been handed down through the > >> >> > generations .. It seems these changes are really designed to > benefit > >> >> > them and their goals. > >> > >> >> > without a singular God there would be no harmony even with in > nature > >> >> > and the predictability of science would disappear. > >> >> > Allan > >> > >> >> > On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 4:12 AM, James <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> >> > > I agree with S. W. Hawking where this is unknown territory, we > have a > >> >> > > tendency to being destructive and careless. We must evolve if we > wish > >> >> > > to > >> >> > > survive, boldly while trying to work out that Achilles heel > >> >> > > (arrogance). > >> > >> >> > > Allan I was thinking similarly in part, I am not so sure > monotheism is > >> >> > > for > >> >> > > everyone though. Where people can devise stories to fit a niche > in > >> >> > > nature, > >> >> > > then further reconcile from that I think there is much less to > say on > >> >> > > God > >> >> > > than people might, it may even be sacrilege to do so. In the > sense of > >> >> > > attempting authority on the nameless, a belligerent act so to > speak. > >> >> > > Agrarian civilization, centralization of authority, and cultural > >> >> > > homogeneity > >> >> > > (dare add monotheism) have allowed us to achieve major > advancements > >> >> > > but I > >> >> > > question that we are approaching or even on track with a > 'destination > >> >> > > truth'. It seems we are a hollow shell filled with culture, but > >> >> > > shouldn't it > >> >> > > be the other way around?! > >> > >> >> > > I keep looking, but I'm just not seeing that 10% innovation in > the > >> >> > > population, there is some serious parasitic drag somewhere in > our > >> >> > > equations. > >> >> > > Sorry so subjective tonight Al. :) > >> > >> >> > > On 10/26/2012 1:12 PM, Allan H wrote: > >> > >> >> > >> The foundations of most of the religions are not that far > apart.. it > >> >> > >> is > >> >> > >> the interpretation of them that gets the idea screwed up.. It > seems > >> >> > >> though that the creator places people that have a better link > and can > >> >> > >> help straighten the cultures so there is hope as to maintain > the > >> >> > >> same > >> >> > >> ideas. so I think that there us a very real possibility that > common > >> >> > >> ground is available. > >> > >> >> > >> poking a nd prodding out of curiosity is to be expected it is > called > >> >> > >> curiosity. > >> >> > >> Allan > >> > >> >> > >> Matrix ** th3 beginning light > >> > >> >> > >> On Oct 26, 2012 3:18 PM, "Lee Douglas" <[email protected] > >> >> > >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > >> > >> >> > >> Ohhh I don't know Andrew. > >> > >> >> > >> As I have said we can of course speculate on all sorts of > things > >> >> > >> about alien life, but seeing as we can only ever think > about from > >> >> > >> our particular species POV, I question how useful such > >> >> > >> speculation > >> >> > >> would be. I think the most logical deduction we could make > is to > >> >> > >> say 'Well I really don't know', and that is indeed my line. > >> > >> >> > >> Heh of course having said that and in the spirit of pure > >> >> > >> speculation, given that our current understanding of > universal > >> >> > >> principles, and laws of physics etc.. seem to encompass the > >> >> > >> totality > >> >> > >> of the universe, I do not think it incorrect to draw some > >> >> > >> speculative conclusions. > >> > >> >> > >> Would alien lifeforms be carbon based as on our planet? I > >> >> > >> suspect probably yes, but there are reasons enough to > suppose > >> >> > >> otherwise also. > >> > >> >> > >> Would then non carbon life forms form different morality > than > >> >> > >> carbon > >> >> > >> based life forms? Umm well I'm going with 'I don't know' > for > >> >> > >> this > >> >> > >> one, as I lack an in depth understanding of neurology. > >> > >> >> > >> As a theist who believes in a single creator God though I > would > >> >> > >> have > >> >> > >> to agree with Allan. > >> > >> >> > >> A large part of my struggle is with the message of God. > Trying > >> >> > >> to > >> >> > >> recompense different religions with this single message is > hard. > >> >> > >> I > >> >> > >> try to imagine that all religions are valid and look for > >> >> > >> the similarities, I rather suspect as I grow I will have to > claim > >> >> > >> that some are wholly false and man made whilst others are > >> >> > >> the direct message from God albeit fucked with by mankind > for his > >> >> > >> own nefarious ends(Christianity for example). So then the > job > >> >> > >> becomes separating the wheat from the chaff, as it were. > >> > >> >> > >> How would intelligent alien life cope with God's message I > >> >> > >> wonder, > >> >> > >> and would they be in the boat as we? Perhaps they have no > idea of > >> >> > >> a > >> >> > >> God at all? Or perhaps they may be the only beings who > hold to > >> >> > >> the > >> >> > >> truth? Ahhh once again, I'm forced to say I don't know. > >> > >> >> > >> Let us endeavour to understand the other sentient creatures > we > >> >> > >> share > >> >> > >> this planet with first, then just maybe we can make better > >> >> > >> educated > >> >> > >> guesses. > >> > >> >> > >> Heh yes you can assume from that I am in favour of granting > >> >> > >> personhood upon those 'higher order' animals, enshrouded in > law. > >> > >> >> > >> On Friday, 26 October 2012 10:22:52 UTC+1, andrew vecsey > wrote: > >> > >> >> > >> I agree. Extra terrestrial visitors to earth would not > be > >> >> > >> comparable to us. They would have different values and > >> >> > >> morals. > >> >> > >> They would find all life sacred and would respect it, > no > >> >> > >> matter > >> >> > >> how depraved or primitive. Perhaps they were the ones > who > >> >> > >> seeded > >> >> > >> earth in the first place. They would probably recognize > our > >> >> > >> weaknesses and would let us either survive to our next > stage > >> >> > >> or > >> >> > >> let us destroy ourselves. > >> > >> >> > >> On Wednesday, October 24, 2012 1:19:42 PM UTC+2, > William L. > >> >> > >> Houts William L. Houts Lukaeon William L. Houts wrote: > >> > >> >> > >> All right, I just wanted to run this by you guys. > I know > >> >> > >> it > >> >> > >> seems I'm > >> >> > >> always rattlling on about aliens, but they're > really a > >> >> > >> stand > >> >> > >> in for, > >> >> > >> well, for a lot of things. Anyway, I've been on > Facebook > >> >> > >> and recently > >> >> > >> made a status report commenting on the conversation > we > >> >> > >> had > >> >> > >> going on here > >> >> > >> about hypothetical aliens and what they might or > might > >> >> > >> not > >> >> > >> want from > >> >> > >> us. And I was making the point that I made here: > that > >> >> > >> said > >> >> > >> aliens will > >> >> > >> turn out to be just as befuddled by it all as we > are, and > >> >> > >> are probably > >> >> > >> in no position to give us the goods on life's > mysteries, > >> >> > >> or > >> >> > >> even make a > >> >> > >> good cocktail. > >> > >> >> > >> Now, my friend Matt, who is very smart but also > very > >> >> > >> bitchy, > >> >> > >> put forth > >> >> > >> Professor Hawking's notion: that we'd better keep > our > >> >> > >> heads > >> >> > >> down low, > >> >> > >> because history tells us that when a more > technologically > >> >> > >> advanced > >> >> > >> species meets a less developed one, the results are > >> >> > >> usually > >> >> > >> horrible for > >> >> > >> the latter. I replied that yes, this does seem to > be the > >> >> > >> pattern in > >> >> > >> Earth history. But, I went on, races which manage > to > >> >> > >> break > >> >> > >> the > >> >> > >> lightspeed barrier are going to have better things > to do > >> >> > >> than enslave 7 > >> >> > >> billion people, or even mistreat them very much. > Their > >> >> > >> energy problems, > >> >> > >> I said more or less, will have been solved to such > an > >> >> > >> extent > >> >> > >> that they > >> > >> ... > >> > >> read more ยป- Hide quoted text - > >> > >> - Show quoted text - > > > > -- > > > > > > > --
