The Golden Way out of deference? Yes, that's probably the meaning Molly is trying to convey. Thanks, Allan.
On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 5:02 PM, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > Gabby one of the major deference between me and christianity is I see > God as what makes up my being,, I do not see God as being else where. > I am expected to live up to my beliefs not making excuses to justify > violating those rules. > Allan > > On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 1:24 PM, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: >> Oh, hi Molly! Yes, it's true, I dared to read the bible on the same >> level as fairy tales. My Protestant nature, I guess. Going out, >> looking out, speaking out is part of that tradition too. What is it in >> your life that makes you being different? >> >> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 1:06 PM, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Looking for God outside oneself can lead to magical gang gods at a level >>> where only the fit and corrupt survive. Many fairy tales are imbued with >>> mystical thinking, including the bible. >>> >>> >>> On Monday, October 29, 2012 5:20:17 AM UTC-4, gabbydott wrote: >>>> >>>> I don't know why these far-away and up-above gods and godesses never >>>> really made it into my heart. Maybe the down-to-earth fairy tales >>>> resembled my surroundings much more. It gives me the creeps when >>>> little street gangstas are referring to Nemesis and believe they have >>>> got the key to the kingdom now. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 4:35 AM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> > I pray to a God everyday but am not sure which one. He is male and >>>> > seems helpful. Today he bolstered my strength rearranging some >>>> > furniture then rebolstered me moving stuff back as it was. However, I >>>> > cooked a hearty meal of steak, potatoes and asparagus for insurance.// >>>> > I think the Greek and Roman gods and goddesses represent human nature >>>> > and traits- really provide some valuable insights for mere mortals. >>>> > >>>> > On Oct 28, 12:45 pm, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >> Ah Lee, by that time you would have forgotten where you were coming >>>> >> from! >>>> >> >>>> >> I like monotheism, because it supports my view of myself as an >>>> >> individual. And it allows me to act upon it as such. I am aware that I >>>> >> am a social being though. Polytheism would be able to account for >>>> >> that, but would probably only confuse me. >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 6:20 PM, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> >>>> >> wrote: >>>> >> > Well that is true Rigsy, and perhaps your prediction is also true. >>>> >> > However >>>> >> > religious faith is 'unreasonable' belief. As it is my stance that we >>>> >> > all >>>> >> > hold to some of these along the way, then perhaps it is a wholly >>>> >> > human/sentient being trait and we'll not be rid of it, only time will >>>> >> > tell. >>>> >> > Just one of the reasons I want to reach at least 400 years old. >>>> >> >>>> >> > On Sunday, October 28, 2012 12:52:50 PM UTC, rigsy03 wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> >> Really? What about the Italian scientists who face prison time for >>>> >> >> failing to predict the severity of an earthquake? What harmony under >>>> >> >> the mantle of monotheism? Science and technology will make god(s) >>>> >> >> obsolete and society can still be managed through various value >>>> >> >> systems based on new realities and methods of control. Presently, we >>>> >> >> are trying to integrate two oppositional positions which accounts >>>> >> >> for >>>> >> >> a good amount of absurdity and disappointment. As extinct creatures >>>> >> >> might have warned us, sentimentality is deadly. >>>> >> >>>> >> >> On Oct 28, 2:12 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >> >> > I really do not see much beyond monotheism atheism holds little >>>> >> >> > but >>>> >> >> > wishful madness, and as for polytheism the universes would be >>>> >> >> > totally >>>> >> >> > different.. Just doesn't work.. You are right arrogance is a >>>> >> >> > tremendous problem which I seriously doubt man will over come.. >>>> >> >> > those >>>> >> >> > that are arrogant have little reason to change.. It is the >>>> >> >> > monotheism >>>> >> >> > that keeps some what harmony,, the problems I see come from man >>>> >> >> > changing the laws of God that have been handed down through the >>>> >> >> > generations .. It seems these changes are really designed to >>>> >> >> > benefit >>>> >> >> > them and their goals. >>>> >> >>>> >> >> > without a singular God there would be no harmony even with in >>>> >> >> > nature >>>> >> >> > and the predictability of science would disappear. >>>> >> >> > Allan >>>> >> >>>> >> >> > On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 4:12 AM, James <[email protected]> >>>> >> >> > wrote: >>>> >> >> > > I agree with S. W. Hawking where this is unknown territory, we >>>> >> >> > > have a >>>> >> >> > > tendency to being destructive and careless. We must evolve if we >>>> >> >> > > wish >>>> >> >> > > to >>>> >> >> > > survive, boldly while trying to work out that Achilles heel >>>> >> >> > > (arrogance). >>>> >> >>>> >> >> > > Allan I was thinking similarly in part, I am not so sure >>>> >> >> > > monotheism is >>>> >> >> > > for >>>> >> >> > > everyone though. Where people can devise stories to fit a niche >>>> >> >> > > in >>>> >> >> > > nature, >>>> >> >> > > then further reconcile from that I think there is much less to >>>> >> >> > > say on >>>> >> >> > > God >>>> >> >> > > than people might, it may even be sacrilege to do so. In the >>>> >> >> > > sense of >>>> >> >> > > attempting authority on the nameless, a belligerent act so to >>>> >> >> > > speak. >>>> >> >> > > Agrarian civilization, centralization of authority, and cultural >>>> >> >> > > homogeneity >>>> >> >> > > (dare add monotheism) have allowed us to achieve major >>>> >> >> > > advancements >>>> >> >> > > but I >>>> >> >> > > question that we are approaching or even on track with a >>>> >> >> > > 'destination >>>> >> >> > > truth'. It seems we are a hollow shell filled with culture, but >>>> >> >> > > shouldn't it >>>> >> >> > > be the other way around?! >>>> >> >>>> >> >> > > I keep looking, but I'm just not seeing that 10% innovation in >>>> >> >> > > the >>>> >> >> > > population, there is some serious parasitic drag somewhere in >>>> >> >> > > our >>>> >> >> > > equations. >>>> >> >> > > Sorry so subjective tonight Al. :) >>>> >> >>>> >> >> > > On 10/26/2012 1:12 PM, Allan H wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> >> > >> The foundations of most of the religions are not that far >>>> >> >> > >> apart.. it >>>> >> >> > >> is >>>> >> >> > >> the interpretation of them that gets the idea screwed up.. It >>>> >> >> > >> seems >>>> >> >> > >> though that the creator places people that have a better link >>>> >> >> > >> and can >>>> >> >> > >> help straighten the cultures so there is hope as to maintain >>>> >> >> > >> the >>>> >> >> > >> same >>>> >> >> > >> ideas. so I think that there us a very real possibility that >>>> >> >> > >> common >>>> >> >> > >> ground is available. >>>> >> >>>> >> >> > >> poking a nd prodding out of curiosity is to be expected it is >>>> >> >> > >> called >>>> >> >> > >> curiosity. >>>> >> >> > >> Allan >>>> >> >>>> >> >> > >> Matrix ** th3 beginning light >>>> >> >>>> >> >> > >> On Oct 26, 2012 3:18 PM, "Lee Douglas" <[email protected] >>>> >> >> > >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> >> > >> Ohhh I don't know Andrew. >>>> >> >>>> >> >> > >> As I have said we can of course speculate on all sorts of >>>> >> >> > >> things >>>> >> >> > >> about alien life, but seeing as we can only ever think >>>> >> >> > >> about from >>>> >> >> > >> our particular species POV, I question how useful such >>>> >> >> > >> speculation >>>> >> >> > >> would be. I think the most logical deduction we could make >>>> >> >> > >> is to >>>> >> >> > >> say 'Well I really don't know', and that is indeed my line. >>>> >> >>>> >> >> > >> Heh of course having said that and in the spirit of pure >>>> >> >> > >> speculation, given that our current understanding of >>>> >> >> > >> universal >>>> >> >> > >> principles, and laws of physics etc.. seem to encompass the >>>> >> >> > >> totality >>>> >> >> > >> of the universe, I do not think it incorrect to draw some >>>> >> >> > >> speculative conclusions. >>>> >> >>>> >> >> > >> Would alien lifeforms be carbon based as on our planet? I >>>> >> >> > >> suspect probably yes, but there are reasons enough to >>>> >> >> > >> suppose >>>> >> >> > >> otherwise also. >>>> >> >>>> >> >> > >> Would then non carbon life forms form different morality >>>> >> >> > >> than >>>> >> >> > >> carbon >>>> >> >> > >> based life forms? Umm well I'm going with 'I don't know' >>>> >> >> > >> for >>>> >> >> > >> this >>>> >> >> > >> one, as I lack an in depth understanding of neurology. >>>> >> >>>> >> >> > >> As a theist who believes in a single creator God though I >>>> >> >> > >> would >>>> >> >> > >> have >>>> >> >> > >> to agree with Allan. >>>> >> >>>> >> >> > >> A large part of my struggle is with the message of God. >>>> >> >> > >> Trying >>>> >> >> > >> to >>>> >> >> > >> recompense different religions with this single message is >>>> >> >> > >> hard. >>>> >> >> > >> I >>>> >> >> > >> try to imagine that all religions are valid and look for >>>> >> >> > >> the similarities, I rather suspect as I grow I will have to >>>> >> >> > >> claim >>>> >> >> > >> that some are wholly false and man made whilst others are >>>> >> >> > >> the direct message from God albeit fucked with by mankind >>>> >> >> > >> for his >>>> >> >> > >> own nefarious ends(Christianity for example). So then the >>>> >> >> > >> job >>>> >> >> > >> becomes separating the wheat from the chaff, as it were. >>>> >> >>>> >> >> > >> How would intelligent alien life cope with God's message I >>>> >> >> > >> wonder, >>>> >> >> > >> and would they be in the boat as we? Perhaps they have no >>>> >> >> > >> idea of >>>> >> >> > >> a >>>> >> >> > >> God at all? Or perhaps they may be the only beings who >>>> >> >> > >> hold to >>>> >> >> > >> the >>>> >> >> > >> truth? Ahhh once again, I'm forced to say I don't know. >>>> >> >>>> >> >> > >> Let us endeavour to understand the other sentient creatures >>>> >> >> > >> we >>>> >> >> > >> share >>>> >> >> > >> this planet with first, then just maybe we can make better >>>> >> >> > >> educated >>>> >> >> > >> guesses. >>>> >> >>>> >> >> > >> Heh yes you can assume from that I am in favour of granting >>>> >> >> > >> personhood upon those 'higher order' animals, enshrouded in >>>> >> >> > >> law. >>>> >> >>>> >> >> > >> On Friday, 26 October 2012 10:22:52 UTC+1, andrew vecsey >>>> >> >> > >> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> >> > >> I agree. Extra terrestrial visitors to earth would not >>>> >> >> > >> be >>>> >> >> > >> comparable to us. They would have different values and >>>> >> >> > >> morals. >>>> >> >> > >> They would find all life sacred and would respect it, >>>> >> >> > >> no >>>> >> >> > >> matter >>>> >> >> > >> how depraved or primitive. Perhaps they were the ones >>>> >> >> > >> who >>>> >> >> > >> seeded >>>> >> >> > >> earth in the first place. They would probably recognize >>>> >> >> > >> our >>>> >> >> > >> weaknesses and would let us either survive to our next >>>> >> >> > >> stage >>>> >> >> > >> or >>>> >> >> > >> let us destroy ourselves. >>>> >> >>>> >> >> > >> On Wednesday, October 24, 2012 1:19:42 PM UTC+2, >>>> >> >> > >> William L. >>>> >> >> > >> Houts William L. Houts Lukaeon William L. Houts wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> >> > >> All right, I just wanted to run this by you guys. >>>> >> >> > >> I know >>>> >> >> > >> it >>>> >> >> > >> seems I'm >>>> >> >> > >> always rattlling on about aliens, but they're >>>> >> >> > >> really a >>>> >> >> > >> stand >>>> >> >> > >> in for, >>>> >> >> > >> well, for a lot of things. Anyway, I've been on >>>> >> >> > >> Facebook >>>> >> >> > >> and recently >>>> >> >> > >> made a status report commenting on the conversation >>>> >> >> > >> we >>>> >> >> > >> had >>>> >> >> > >> going on here >>>> >> >> > >> about hypothetical aliens and what they might or >>>> >> >> > >> might >>>> >> >> > >> not >>>> >> >> > >> want from >>>> >> >> > >> us. And I was making the point that I made here: >>>> >> >> > >> that >>>> >> >> > >> said >>>> >> >> > >> aliens will >>>> >> >> > >> turn out to be just as befuddled by it all as we >>>> >> >> > >> are, and >>>> >> >> > >> are probably >>>> >> >> > >> in no position to give us the goods on life's >>>> >> >> > >> mysteries, >>>> >> >> > >> or >>>> >> >> > >> even make a >>>> >> >> > >> good cocktail. >>>> >> >>>> >> >> > >> Now, my friend Matt, who is very smart but also >>>> >> >> > >> very >>>> >> >> > >> bitchy, >>>> >> >> > >> put forth >>>> >> >> > >> Professor Hawking's notion: that we'd better keep >>>> >> >> > >> our >>>> >> >> > >> heads >>>> >> >> > >> down low, >>>> >> >> > >> because history tells us that when a more >>>> >> >> > >> technologically >>>> >> >> > >> advanced >>>> >> >> > >> species meets a less developed one, the results are >>>> >> >> > >> usually >>>> >> >> > >> horrible for >>>> >> >> > >> the latter. I replied that yes, this does seem to >>>> >> >> > >> be the >>>> >> >> > >> pattern in >>>> >> >> > >> Earth history. But, I went on, races which manage >>>> >> >> > >> to >>>> >> >> > >> break >>>> >> >> > >> the >>>> >> >> > >> lightspeed barrier are going to have better things >>>> >> >> > >> to do >>>> >> >> > >> than enslave 7 >>>> >> >> > >> billion people, or even mistreat them very much. >>>> >> >> > >> Their >>>> >> >> > >> energy problems, >>>> >> >> > >> I said more or less, will have been solved to such >>>> >> >> > >> an >>>> >> >> > >> extent >>>> >> >> > >> that they >>>> >> >>>> >> ... >>>> >> >>>> >> read more ยป- Hide quoted text - >>>> >> >>>> >> - Show quoted text - >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> >> >> > > > > -- > ( > ) > |_D Allan > > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living. > > > I am a Natural Airgunner - > > Full of Hot Air & Ready To Expel It Quickly. > > -- > > > --
