Oh, hi Molly! Yes, it's true, I dared to read the bible on the same level as fairy tales. My Protestant nature, I guess. Going out, looking out, speaking out is part of that tradition too. What is it in your life that makes you being different?
On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 1:06 PM, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > Looking for God outside oneself can lead to magical gang gods at a level > where only the fit and corrupt survive. Many fairy tales are imbued with > mystical thinking, including the bible. > > > On Monday, October 29, 2012 5:20:17 AM UTC-4, gabbydott wrote: >> >> I don't know why these far-away and up-above gods and godesses never >> really made it into my heart. Maybe the down-to-earth fairy tales >> resembled my surroundings much more. It gives me the creeps when >> little street gangstas are referring to Nemesis and believe they have >> got the key to the kingdom now. >> >> >> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 4:35 AM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: >> > I pray to a God everyday but am not sure which one. He is male and >> > seems helpful. Today he bolstered my strength rearranging some >> > furniture then rebolstered me moving stuff back as it was. However, I >> > cooked a hearty meal of steak, potatoes and asparagus for insurance.// >> > I think the Greek and Roman gods and goddesses represent human nature >> > and traits- really provide some valuable insights for mere mortals. >> > >> > On Oct 28, 12:45 pm, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Ah Lee, by that time you would have forgotten where you were coming >> >> from! >> >> >> >> I like monotheism, because it supports my view of myself as an >> >> individual. And it allows me to act upon it as such. I am aware that I >> >> am a social being though. Polytheism would be able to account for >> >> that, but would probably only confuse me. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 6:20 PM, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> >> >> wrote: >> >> > Well that is true Rigsy, and perhaps your prediction is also true. >> >> > However >> >> > religious faith is 'unreasonable' belief. As it is my stance that we >> >> > all >> >> > hold to some of these along the way, then perhaps it is a wholly >> >> > human/sentient being trait and we'll not be rid of it, only time will >> >> > tell. >> >> > Just one of the reasons I want to reach at least 400 years old. >> >> >> >> > On Sunday, October 28, 2012 12:52:50 PM UTC, rigsy03 wrote: >> >> >> >> >> Really? What about the Italian scientists who face prison time for >> >> >> failing to predict the severity of an earthquake? What harmony under >> >> >> the mantle of monotheism? Science and technology will make god(s) >> >> >> obsolete and society can still be managed through various value >> >> >> systems based on new realities and methods of control. Presently, we >> >> >> are trying to integrate two oppositional positions which accounts >> >> >> for >> >> >> a good amount of absurdity and disappointment. As extinct creatures >> >> >> might have warned us, sentimentality is deadly. >> >> >> >> >> On Oct 28, 2:12 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> > I really do not see much beyond monotheism atheism holds little >> >> >> > but >> >> >> > wishful madness, and as for polytheism the universes would be >> >> >> > totally >> >> >> > different.. Just doesn't work.. You are right arrogance is a >> >> >> > tremendous problem which I seriously doubt man will over come.. >> >> >> > those >> >> >> > that are arrogant have little reason to change.. It is the >> >> >> > monotheism >> >> >> > that keeps some what harmony,, the problems I see come from man >> >> >> > changing the laws of God that have been handed down through the >> >> >> > generations .. It seems these changes are really designed to >> >> >> > benefit >> >> >> > them and their goals. >> >> >> >> >> > without a singular God there would be no harmony even with in >> >> >> > nature >> >> >> > and the predictability of science would disappear. >> >> >> > Allan >> >> >> >> >> > On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 4:12 AM, James <[email protected]> >> >> >> > wrote: >> >> >> > > I agree with S. W. Hawking where this is unknown territory, we >> >> >> > > have a >> >> >> > > tendency to being destructive and careless. We must evolve if we >> >> >> > > wish >> >> >> > > to >> >> >> > > survive, boldly while trying to work out that Achilles heel >> >> >> > > (arrogance). >> >> >> >> >> > > Allan I was thinking similarly in part, I am not so sure >> >> >> > > monotheism is >> >> >> > > for >> >> >> > > everyone though. Where people can devise stories to fit a niche >> >> >> > > in >> >> >> > > nature, >> >> >> > > then further reconcile from that I think there is much less to >> >> >> > > say on >> >> >> > > God >> >> >> > > than people might, it may even be sacrilege to do so. In the >> >> >> > > sense of >> >> >> > > attempting authority on the nameless, a belligerent act so to >> >> >> > > speak. >> >> >> > > Agrarian civilization, centralization of authority, and cultural >> >> >> > > homogeneity >> >> >> > > (dare add monotheism) have allowed us to achieve major >> >> >> > > advancements >> >> >> > > but I >> >> >> > > question that we are approaching or even on track with a >> >> >> > > 'destination >> >> >> > > truth'. It seems we are a hollow shell filled with culture, but >> >> >> > > shouldn't it >> >> >> > > be the other way around?! >> >> >> >> >> > > I keep looking, but I'm just not seeing that 10% innovation in >> >> >> > > the >> >> >> > > population, there is some serious parasitic drag somewhere in >> >> >> > > our >> >> >> > > equations. >> >> >> > > Sorry so subjective tonight Al. :) >> >> >> >> >> > > On 10/26/2012 1:12 PM, Allan H wrote: >> >> >> >> >> > >> The foundations of most of the religions are not that far >> >> >> > >> apart.. it >> >> >> > >> is >> >> >> > >> the interpretation of them that gets the idea screwed up.. It >> >> >> > >> seems >> >> >> > >> though that the creator places people that have a better link >> >> >> > >> and can >> >> >> > >> help straighten the cultures so there is hope as to maintain >> >> >> > >> the >> >> >> > >> same >> >> >> > >> ideas. so I think that there us a very real possibility that >> >> >> > >> common >> >> >> > >> ground is available. >> >> >> >> >> > >> poking a nd prodding out of curiosity is to be expected it is >> >> >> > >> called >> >> >> > >> curiosity. >> >> >> > >> Allan >> >> >> >> >> > >> Matrix ** th3 beginning light >> >> >> >> >> > >> On Oct 26, 2012 3:18 PM, "Lee Douglas" <[email protected] >> >> >> > >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> > >> Ohhh I don't know Andrew. >> >> >> >> >> > >> As I have said we can of course speculate on all sorts of >> >> >> > >> things >> >> >> > >> about alien life, but seeing as we can only ever think >> >> >> > >> about from >> >> >> > >> our particular species POV, I question how useful such >> >> >> > >> speculation >> >> >> > >> would be. I think the most logical deduction we could make >> >> >> > >> is to >> >> >> > >> say 'Well I really don't know', and that is indeed my line. >> >> >> >> >> > >> Heh of course having said that and in the spirit of pure >> >> >> > >> speculation, given that our current understanding of >> >> >> > >> universal >> >> >> > >> principles, and laws of physics etc.. seem to encompass the >> >> >> > >> totality >> >> >> > >> of the universe, I do not think it incorrect to draw some >> >> >> > >> speculative conclusions. >> >> >> >> >> > >> Would alien lifeforms be carbon based as on our planet? I >> >> >> > >> suspect probably yes, but there are reasons enough to >> >> >> > >> suppose >> >> >> > >> otherwise also. >> >> >> >> >> > >> Would then non carbon life forms form different morality >> >> >> > >> than >> >> >> > >> carbon >> >> >> > >> based life forms? Umm well I'm going with 'I don't know' >> >> >> > >> for >> >> >> > >> this >> >> >> > >> one, as I lack an in depth understanding of neurology. >> >> >> >> >> > >> As a theist who believes in a single creator God though I >> >> >> > >> would >> >> >> > >> have >> >> >> > >> to agree with Allan. >> >> >> >> >> > >> A large part of my struggle is with the message of God. >> >> >> > >> Trying >> >> >> > >> to >> >> >> > >> recompense different religions with this single message is >> >> >> > >> hard. >> >> >> > >> I >> >> >> > >> try to imagine that all religions are valid and look for >> >> >> > >> the similarities, I rather suspect as I grow I will have to >> >> >> > >> claim >> >> >> > >> that some are wholly false and man made whilst others are >> >> >> > >> the direct message from God albeit fucked with by mankind >> >> >> > >> for his >> >> >> > >> own nefarious ends(Christianity for example). So then the >> >> >> > >> job >> >> >> > >> becomes separating the wheat from the chaff, as it were. >> >> >> >> >> > >> How would intelligent alien life cope with God's message I >> >> >> > >> wonder, >> >> >> > >> and would they be in the boat as we? Perhaps they have no >> >> >> > >> idea of >> >> >> > >> a >> >> >> > >> God at all? Or perhaps they may be the only beings who >> >> >> > >> hold to >> >> >> > >> the >> >> >> > >> truth? Ahhh once again, I'm forced to say I don't know. >> >> >> >> >> > >> Let us endeavour to understand the other sentient creatures >> >> >> > >> we >> >> >> > >> share >> >> >> > >> this planet with first, then just maybe we can make better >> >> >> > >> educated >> >> >> > >> guesses. >> >> >> >> >> > >> Heh yes you can assume from that I am in favour of granting >> >> >> > >> personhood upon those 'higher order' animals, enshrouded in >> >> >> > >> law. >> >> >> >> >> > >> On Friday, 26 October 2012 10:22:52 UTC+1, andrew vecsey >> >> >> > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> > >> I agree. Extra terrestrial visitors to earth would not >> >> >> > >> be >> >> >> > >> comparable to us. They would have different values and >> >> >> > >> morals. >> >> >> > >> They would find all life sacred and would respect it, >> >> >> > >> no >> >> >> > >> matter >> >> >> > >> how depraved or primitive. Perhaps they were the ones >> >> >> > >> who >> >> >> > >> seeded >> >> >> > >> earth in the first place. They would probably recognize >> >> >> > >> our >> >> >> > >> weaknesses and would let us either survive to our next >> >> >> > >> stage >> >> >> > >> or >> >> >> > >> let us destroy ourselves. >> >> >> >> >> > >> On Wednesday, October 24, 2012 1:19:42 PM UTC+2, >> >> >> > >> William L. >> >> >> > >> Houts William L. Houts Lukaeon William L. Houts wrote: >> >> >> >> >> > >> All right, I just wanted to run this by you guys. >> >> >> > >> I know >> >> >> > >> it >> >> >> > >> seems I'm >> >> >> > >> always rattlling on about aliens, but they're >> >> >> > >> really a >> >> >> > >> stand >> >> >> > >> in for, >> >> >> > >> well, for a lot of things. Anyway, I've been on >> >> >> > >> Facebook >> >> >> > >> and recently >> >> >> > >> made a status report commenting on the conversation >> >> >> > >> we >> >> >> > >> had >> >> >> > >> going on here >> >> >> > >> about hypothetical aliens and what they might or >> >> >> > >> might >> >> >> > >> not >> >> >> > >> want from >> >> >> > >> us. And I was making the point that I made here: >> >> >> > >> that >> >> >> > >> said >> >> >> > >> aliens will >> >> >> > >> turn out to be just as befuddled by it all as we >> >> >> > >> are, and >> >> >> > >> are probably >> >> >> > >> in no position to give us the goods on life's >> >> >> > >> mysteries, >> >> >> > >> or >> >> >> > >> even make a >> >> >> > >> good cocktail. >> >> >> >> >> > >> Now, my friend Matt, who is very smart but also >> >> >> > >> very >> >> >> > >> bitchy, >> >> >> > >> put forth >> >> >> > >> Professor Hawking's notion: that we'd better keep >> >> >> > >> our >> >> >> > >> heads >> >> >> > >> down low, >> >> >> > >> because history tells us that when a more >> >> >> > >> technologically >> >> >> > >> advanced >> >> >> > >> species meets a less developed one, the results are >> >> >> > >> usually >> >> >> > >> horrible for >> >> >> > >> the latter. I replied that yes, this does seem to >> >> >> > >> be the >> >> >> > >> pattern in >> >> >> > >> Earth history. But, I went on, races which manage >> >> >> > >> to >> >> >> > >> break >> >> >> > >> the >> >> >> > >> lightspeed barrier are going to have better things >> >> >> > >> to do >> >> >> > >> than enslave 7 >> >> >> > >> billion people, or even mistreat them very much. >> >> >> > >> Their >> >> >> > >> energy problems, >> >> >> > >> I said more or less, will have been solved to such >> >> >> > >> an >> >> >> > >> extent >> >> >> > >> that they >> >> >> >> ... >> >> >> >> read more ยป- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> >> - Show quoted text - >> > >> > -- >> > >> > >> > > > -- > > > --
