sounds like you are really going to be needing your snow guy Rigsy,, heard WV had over a meter of snow fall that must be a bitch. Allan
On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 8:56 PM, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > You see, Neil, that's exactly why I thought we have Rigsy write the > abstract and make her come out of the kitchen after her snow guy had > done his job. You have spoiled it all now! > > > On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 11:25 AM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >> I've just become a paradigm case of Bill's "bored traveller" - long >> weekend with an American friend in Rome looking at art entailing the >> Vatican (which didn't spontaneously combust) - Bernini etc. There was >> a Hombeck on candle-light which will stick forever. I got the >> impression Bernini could do something in static stone that would give >> the impression of a Jimmy Johnstone dribble (he was the best ever at >> this spectacle, if not the most effective player in modern soccer >> terms). Couldn't get a coffee in the city that never sleeps at 3 a.m. >> and ended-up in a Mcdonalds. The place is a dreadful tourist rip-off >> and a week would have bankrupted us. Flight home was delayed by an >> outbreak of Italian indolence and refusal to drive the bus to the >> plane. Airport full of disgruntled Americans delayed by Sandy. >> Greece and Rome descend from slave economies and attitudes that work >> scars the soul. >> There was so much to see and it was so pleasant to walk I came home >> hobbling on a blister. >> >> Much biology is based on the economics of energy - we always seem to >> want explanation in terms of why an organism would expend the energy >> required to maintain an organ and so on. Our brains and even memory >> need justification in energy terms. Much of my own interest in the >> subject concerns desire to overcome its predestination - which these >> days would be talked about through the notion of co-evolution and its >> 'arms races'. My own guess for a long time has been we need to >> organise work differently - I favour a federal Europe (World) of a >> free table with work as a shared obligation - but one always finds >> such opinion has been held before - one example here would be the >> Strasser brothers who organised the Nazis when Hitler came out of >> jail. Politically I tend to think we are stuck in the hands of a >> rentier class much as in the inter-war years. >> >> I think some UFO-dreaming could help us understand this and even Star >> Trek touches the fringes. We might, very un-art, start by wondering >> who cleans the toilets on the Enterprise. >> >> On 29 Oct, 19:02, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: >>> The Golden Way out of deference? Yes, that's probably the meaning >>> Molly is trying to convey. Thanks, Allan. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 5:02 PM, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > Gabby one of the major deference between me and christianity is I see >>> > God as what makes up my being,, I do not see God as being else where. >>> > I am expected to live up to my beliefs not making excuses to justify >>> > violating those rules. >>> > Allan >>> >>> > On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 1:24 PM, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >> Oh, hi Molly! Yes, it's true, I dared to read the bible on the same >>> >> level as fairy tales. My Protestant nature, I guess. Going out, >>> >> looking out, speaking out is part of that tradition too. What is it in >>> >> your life that makes you being different? >>> >>> >> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 1:06 PM, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Looking for God outside oneself can lead to magical gang gods at a level >>> >>> where only the fit and corrupt survive. Many fairy tales are imbued >>> >>> with >>> >>> mystical thinking, including the bible. >>> >>> >>> On Monday, October 29, 2012 5:20:17 AM UTC-4, gabbydott wrote: >>> >>> >>>> I don't know why these far-away and up-above gods and godesses never >>> >>>> really made it into my heart. Maybe the down-to-earth fairy tales >>> >>>> resembled my surroundings much more. It gives me the creeps when >>> >>>> little street gangstas are referring to Nemesis and believe they have >>> >>>> got the key to the kingdom now. >>> >>> >>>> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 4:35 AM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> > I pray to a God everyday but am not sure which one. He is male and >>> >>>> > seems helpful. Today he bolstered my strength rearranging some >>> >>>> > furniture then rebolstered me moving stuff back as it was. However, I >>> >>>> > cooked a hearty meal of steak, potatoes and asparagus for >>> >>>> > insurance.// >>> >>>> > I think the Greek and Roman gods and goddesses represent human nature >>> >>>> > and traits- really provide some valuable insights for mere mortals. >>> >>> >>>> > On Oct 28, 12:45 pm, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> >> Ah Lee, by that time you would have forgotten where you were coming >>> >>>> >> from! >>> >>> >>>> >> I like monotheism, because it supports my view of myself as an >>> >>>> >> individual. And it allows me to act upon it as such. I am aware >>> >>>> >> that I >>> >>>> >> am a social being though. Polytheism would be able to account for >>> >>>> >> that, but would probably only confuse me. >>> >>> >>>> >> On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 6:20 PM, Lee Douglas >>> >>>> >> <[email protected]> >>> >>>> >> wrote: >>> >>>> >> > Well that is true Rigsy, and perhaps your prediction is also true. >>> >>>> >> > However >>> >>>> >> > religious faith is 'unreasonable' belief. As it is my stance >>> >>>> >> > that we >>> >>>> >> > all >>> >>>> >> > hold to some of these along the way, then perhaps it is a wholly >>> >>>> >> > human/sentient being trait and we'll not be rid of it, only time >>> >>>> >> > will >>> >>>> >> > tell. >>> >>>> >> > Just one of the reasons I want to reach at least 400 years old. >>> >>> >>>> >> > On Sunday, October 28, 2012 12:52:50 PM UTC, rigsy03 wrote: >>> >>> >>>> >> >> Really? What about the Italian scientists who face prison time >>> >>>> >> >> for >>> >>>> >> >> failing to predict the severity of an earthquake? What harmony >>> >>>> >> >> under >>> >>>> >> >> the mantle of monotheism? Science and technology will make god(s) >>> >>>> >> >> obsolete and society can still be managed through various value >>> >>>> >> >> systems based on new realities and methods of control. >>> >>>> >> >> Presently, we >>> >>>> >> >> are trying to integrate two oppositional positions which accounts >>> >>>> >> >> for >>> >>>> >> >> a good amount of absurdity and disappointment. As extinct >>> >>>> >> >> creatures >>> >>>> >> >> might have warned us, sentimentality is deadly. >>> >>> >>>> >> >> On Oct 28, 2:12 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> >> >> > I really do not see much beyond monotheism atheism holds >>> >>>> >> >> > little >>> >>>> >> >> > but >>> >>>> >> >> > wishful madness, and as for polytheism the universes would be >>> >>>> >> >> > totally >>> >>>> >> >> > different.. Just doesn't work.. You are right arrogance is a >>> >>>> >> >> > tremendous problem which I seriously doubt man will over come.. >>> >>>> >> >> > those >>> >>>> >> >> > that are arrogant have little reason to change.. It is the >>> >>>> >> >> > monotheism >>> >>>> >> >> > that keeps some what harmony,, the problems I see come from >>> >>>> >> >> > man >>> >>>> >> >> > changing the laws of God that have been handed down through the >>> >>>> >> >> > generations .. It seems these changes are really designed to >>> >>>> >> >> > benefit >>> >>>> >> >> > them and their goals. >>> >>> >>>> >> >> > without a singular God there would be no harmony even with in >>> >>>> >> >> > nature >>> >>>> >> >> > and the predictability of science would disappear. >>> >>>> >> >> > Allan >>> >>> >>>> >> >> > On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 4:12 AM, James <[email protected]> >>> >>>> >> >> > wrote: >>> >>>> >> >> > > I agree with S. W. Hawking where this is unknown territory, >>> >>>> >> >> > > we >>> >>>> >> >> > > have a >>> >>>> >> >> > > tendency to being destructive and careless. We must evolve >>> >>>> >> >> > > if we >>> >>>> >> >> > > wish >>> >>>> >> >> > > to >>> >>>> >> >> > > survive, boldly while trying to work out that Achilles heel >>> >>>> >> >> > > (arrogance). >>> >>> >>>> >> >> > > Allan I was thinking similarly in part, I am not so sure >>> >>>> >> >> > > monotheism is >>> >>>> >> >> > > for >>> >>>> >> >> > > everyone though. Where people can devise stories to fit a >>> >>>> >> >> > > niche >>> >>>> >> >> > > in >>> >>>> >> >> > > nature, >>> >>>> >> >> > > then further reconcile from that I think there is much less >>> >>>> >> >> > > to >>> >>>> >> >> > > say on >>> >>>> >> >> > > God >>> >>>> >> >> > > than people might, it may even be sacrilege to do so. In the >>> >>>> >> >> > > sense of >>> >>>> >> >> > > attempting authority on the nameless, a belligerent act so to >>> >>>> >> >> > > speak. >>> >>>> >> >> > > Agrarian civilization, centralization of authority, and >>> >>>> >> >> > > cultural >>> >>>> >> >> > > homogeneity >>> >>>> >> >> > > (dare add monotheism) have allowed us to achieve major >>> >>>> >> >> > > advancements >>> >>>> >> >> > > but I >>> >>>> >> >> > > question that we are approaching or even on track with a >>> >>>> >> >> > > 'destination >>> >>>> >> >> > > truth'. It seems we are a hollow shell filled with culture, >>> >>>> >> >> > > but >>> >>>> >> >> > > shouldn't it >>> >>>> >> >> > > be the other way around?! >>> >>> >>>> >> >> > > I keep looking, but I'm just not seeing that 10% innovation >>> >>>> >> >> > > in >>> >>>> >> >> > > the >>> >>>> >> >> > > population, there is some serious parasitic drag somewhere in >>> >>>> >> >> > > our >>> >>>> >> >> > > equations. >>> >>>> >> >> > > Sorry so subjective tonight Al. :) >>> >>> >>>> >> >> > > On 10/26/2012 1:12 PM, Allan H wrote: >>> >>> >>>> >> >> > >> The foundations of most of the religions are not that far >>> >>>> >> >> > >> apart.. it >>> >>>> >> >> > >> is >>> >>>> >> >> > >> the interpretation of them that gets the idea screwed up.. >>> >>>> >> >> > >> It >>> >>>> >> >> > >> seems >>> >>>> >> >> > >> though that the creator places people that have a better >>> >>>> >> >> > >> link >>> >>>> >> >> > >> and can >>> >>>> >> >> > >> help straighten the cultures so there is hope as to >>> >>>> >> >> > >> maintain >>> >>>> >> >> > >> the >>> >>>> >> >> > >> same >>> >>>> >> >> > >> ideas. so I think that there us a very real possibility >>> >>>> >> >> > >> that >>> >>>> >> >> > >> common >>> >>>> >> >> > >> ground is available. >>> >>> >>>> >> >> > >> poking a nd prodding out of curiosity is to be expected it >>> >>>> >> >> > >> is >>> >>>> >> >> > >> called >>> >>>> >> >> > >> curiosity. >>> >>>> >> >> > >> Allan >>> >>> >>>> >> >> > >> Matrix ** th3 beginning light >>> >>> >>>> >> >> > >> On Oct 26, 2012 3:18 PM, "Lee Douglas" >>> >>>> >> >> > >> <[email protected] >>> >>>> >> >> > >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> >> >> > >> Ohhh I don't know Andrew. >>> >>> >>>> >> >> > >> As I have said we can of course speculate on all sorts >>> >>>> >> >> > >> of >>> >>>> >> >> > >> things >>> >>>> >> >> > >> about alien life, but seeing as we can only ever think >>> >>>> >> >> > >> about from >>> >>>> >> >> > >> our particular species POV, I question how useful such >>> >>>> >> >> > >> speculation >>> >>>> >> >> > >> would be. I think the most logical deduction we could >>> >>>> >> >> > >> make >>> >>>> >> >> > >> is to >>> >>>> >> >> > >> say 'Well I really don't know', and that is indeed my >>> >>>> >> >> > >> line. >>> >>> >>>> >> >> > >> Heh of course having said that and in the spirit of pure >>> >>>> >> >> > >> speculation, given that our current understanding of >>> >>>> >> >> > >> universal >>> >>>> >> >> > >> principles, and laws of physics etc.. seem to encompass >>> >>>> >> >> > >> the >>> >>>> >> >> > >> totality >>> >>>> >> >> > >> of the universe, I do not think it incorrect to draw >>> >>>> >> >> > >> some >>> >>>> >> >> > >> speculative conclusions. >>> >>> >>>> >> >> > >> Would alien lifeforms be carbon based as on our planet? >>> >>>> >> >> > >> I >>> >>>> >> >> > >> suspect probably yes, but there are reasons enough to >>> >>>> >> >> > >> suppose >>> >>>> >> >> > >> otherwise also. >>> >>> >>>> >> >> > >> Would then non carbon life forms form different morality >>> >>>> >> >> > >> than >>> >>>> >> >> > >> carbon >>> >>>> >> >> > >> based life forms? Umm well I'm going with 'I don't >>> >>>> >> >> > >> know' >>> >>>> >> >> > >> for >>> >>>> >> >> > >> this >>> >>>> >> >> > >> one, as I lack an in depth understanding of neurology. >>> >>> >>>> >> >> > >> As a theist who believes in a single creator God though >>> >>>> >> >> > >> I >>> >>>> >> >> > >> would >>> >>>> >> >> > >> have >>> >>>> >> >> > >> to agree with Allan. >>> >>> >>>> >> >> > >> A large part of my struggle is with the message of God. >>> >>>> >> >> > >> Trying >>> >>>> >> >> > >> to >>> >>>> >> >> > >> recompense different religions with this single message >>> >>>> >> >> > >> is >>> >>>> >> >> > >> hard. >>> >>>> >> >> > >> I >>> >>>> >> >> > >> try to imagine that all religions are valid and look for >>> >>>> >> >> > >> the similarities, I rather suspect as I grow I will >>> >>>> >> >> > >> have to >>> >>>> >> >> > >> claim >>> >>>> >> >> > >> that some are wholly false and man made whilst others >>> >>>> >> >> > >> are >>> >>>> >> >> > >> the direct message from God albeit fucked with by >>> >>>> >> >> > >> mankind >>> >>>> >> >> > >> for his >>> >>>> >> >> > >> own nefarious ends(Christianity for example). So >>> >>> ... >>> >>> read more ยป >> >> -- >> >> >> > > -- > > > -- ( ) |_D Allan Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living. I am a Natural Airgunner - Full of Hot Air & Ready To Expel It Quickly. --
