Gabby one of the major deference between me and christianity is I see God as what makes up my being,, I do not see God as being else where. I am expected to live up to my beliefs not making excuses to justify violating those rules. Allan
On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 1:24 PM, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > Oh, hi Molly! Yes, it's true, I dared to read the bible on the same > level as fairy tales. My Protestant nature, I guess. Going out, > looking out, speaking out is part of that tradition too. What is it in > your life that makes you being different? > > On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 1:06 PM, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: >> Looking for God outside oneself can lead to magical gang gods at a level >> where only the fit and corrupt survive. Many fairy tales are imbued with >> mystical thinking, including the bible. >> >> >> On Monday, October 29, 2012 5:20:17 AM UTC-4, gabbydott wrote: >>> >>> I don't know why these far-away and up-above gods and godesses never >>> really made it into my heart. Maybe the down-to-earth fairy tales >>> resembled my surroundings much more. It gives me the creeps when >>> little street gangstas are referring to Nemesis and believe they have >>> got the key to the kingdom now. >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 4:35 AM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > I pray to a God everyday but am not sure which one. He is male and >>> > seems helpful. Today he bolstered my strength rearranging some >>> > furniture then rebolstered me moving stuff back as it was. However, I >>> > cooked a hearty meal of steak, potatoes and asparagus for insurance.// >>> > I think the Greek and Roman gods and goddesses represent human nature >>> > and traits- really provide some valuable insights for mere mortals. >>> > >>> > On Oct 28, 12:45 pm, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >> Ah Lee, by that time you would have forgotten where you were coming >>> >> from! >>> >> >>> >> I like monotheism, because it supports my view of myself as an >>> >> individual. And it allows me to act upon it as such. I am aware that I >>> >> am a social being though. Polytheism would be able to account for >>> >> that, but would probably only confuse me. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 6:20 PM, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> >>> >> wrote: >>> >> > Well that is true Rigsy, and perhaps your prediction is also true. >>> >> > However >>> >> > religious faith is 'unreasonable' belief. As it is my stance that we >>> >> > all >>> >> > hold to some of these along the way, then perhaps it is a wholly >>> >> > human/sentient being trait and we'll not be rid of it, only time will >>> >> > tell. >>> >> > Just one of the reasons I want to reach at least 400 years old. >>> >> >>> >> > On Sunday, October 28, 2012 12:52:50 PM UTC, rigsy03 wrote: >>> >> >>> >> >> Really? What about the Italian scientists who face prison time for >>> >> >> failing to predict the severity of an earthquake? What harmony under >>> >> >> the mantle of monotheism? Science and technology will make god(s) >>> >> >> obsolete and society can still be managed through various value >>> >> >> systems based on new realities and methods of control. Presently, we >>> >> >> are trying to integrate two oppositional positions which accounts >>> >> >> for >>> >> >> a good amount of absurdity and disappointment. As extinct creatures >>> >> >> might have warned us, sentimentality is deadly. >>> >> >>> >> >> On Oct 28, 2:12 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >> >> > I really do not see much beyond monotheism atheism holds little >>> >> >> > but >>> >> >> > wishful madness, and as for polytheism the universes would be >>> >> >> > totally >>> >> >> > different.. Just doesn't work.. You are right arrogance is a >>> >> >> > tremendous problem which I seriously doubt man will over come.. >>> >> >> > those >>> >> >> > that are arrogant have little reason to change.. It is the >>> >> >> > monotheism >>> >> >> > that keeps some what harmony,, the problems I see come from man >>> >> >> > changing the laws of God that have been handed down through the >>> >> >> > generations .. It seems these changes are really designed to >>> >> >> > benefit >>> >> >> > them and their goals. >>> >> >>> >> >> > without a singular God there would be no harmony even with in >>> >> >> > nature >>> >> >> > and the predictability of science would disappear. >>> >> >> > Allan >>> >> >>> >> >> > On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 4:12 AM, James <[email protected]> >>> >> >> > wrote: >>> >> >> > > I agree with S. W. Hawking where this is unknown territory, we >>> >> >> > > have a >>> >> >> > > tendency to being destructive and careless. We must evolve if we >>> >> >> > > wish >>> >> >> > > to >>> >> >> > > survive, boldly while trying to work out that Achilles heel >>> >> >> > > (arrogance). >>> >> >>> >> >> > > Allan I was thinking similarly in part, I am not so sure >>> >> >> > > monotheism is >>> >> >> > > for >>> >> >> > > everyone though. Where people can devise stories to fit a niche >>> >> >> > > in >>> >> >> > > nature, >>> >> >> > > then further reconcile from that I think there is much less to >>> >> >> > > say on >>> >> >> > > God >>> >> >> > > than people might, it may even be sacrilege to do so. In the >>> >> >> > > sense of >>> >> >> > > attempting authority on the nameless, a belligerent act so to >>> >> >> > > speak. >>> >> >> > > Agrarian civilization, centralization of authority, and cultural >>> >> >> > > homogeneity >>> >> >> > > (dare add monotheism) have allowed us to achieve major >>> >> >> > > advancements >>> >> >> > > but I >>> >> >> > > question that we are approaching or even on track with a >>> >> >> > > 'destination >>> >> >> > > truth'. It seems we are a hollow shell filled with culture, but >>> >> >> > > shouldn't it >>> >> >> > > be the other way around?! >>> >> >>> >> >> > > I keep looking, but I'm just not seeing that 10% innovation in >>> >> >> > > the >>> >> >> > > population, there is some serious parasitic drag somewhere in >>> >> >> > > our >>> >> >> > > equations. >>> >> >> > > Sorry so subjective tonight Al. :) >>> >> >>> >> >> > > On 10/26/2012 1:12 PM, Allan H wrote: >>> >> >>> >> >> > >> The foundations of most of the religions are not that far >>> >> >> > >> apart.. it >>> >> >> > >> is >>> >> >> > >> the interpretation of them that gets the idea screwed up.. It >>> >> >> > >> seems >>> >> >> > >> though that the creator places people that have a better link >>> >> >> > >> and can >>> >> >> > >> help straighten the cultures so there is hope as to maintain >>> >> >> > >> the >>> >> >> > >> same >>> >> >> > >> ideas. so I think that there us a very real possibility that >>> >> >> > >> common >>> >> >> > >> ground is available. >>> >> >>> >> >> > >> poking a nd prodding out of curiosity is to be expected it is >>> >> >> > >> called >>> >> >> > >> curiosity. >>> >> >> > >> Allan >>> >> >>> >> >> > >> Matrix ** th3 beginning light >>> >> >>> >> >> > >> On Oct 26, 2012 3:18 PM, "Lee Douglas" <[email protected] >>> >> >> > >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> >> > >> Ohhh I don't know Andrew. >>> >> >>> >> >> > >> As I have said we can of course speculate on all sorts of >>> >> >> > >> things >>> >> >> > >> about alien life, but seeing as we can only ever think >>> >> >> > >> about from >>> >> >> > >> our particular species POV, I question how useful such >>> >> >> > >> speculation >>> >> >> > >> would be. I think the most logical deduction we could make >>> >> >> > >> is to >>> >> >> > >> say 'Well I really don't know', and that is indeed my line. >>> >> >>> >> >> > >> Heh of course having said that and in the spirit of pure >>> >> >> > >> speculation, given that our current understanding of >>> >> >> > >> universal >>> >> >> > >> principles, and laws of physics etc.. seem to encompass the >>> >> >> > >> totality >>> >> >> > >> of the universe, I do not think it incorrect to draw some >>> >> >> > >> speculative conclusions. >>> >> >>> >> >> > >> Would alien lifeforms be carbon based as on our planet? I >>> >> >> > >> suspect probably yes, but there are reasons enough to >>> >> >> > >> suppose >>> >> >> > >> otherwise also. >>> >> >>> >> >> > >> Would then non carbon life forms form different morality >>> >> >> > >> than >>> >> >> > >> carbon >>> >> >> > >> based life forms? Umm well I'm going with 'I don't know' >>> >> >> > >> for >>> >> >> > >> this >>> >> >> > >> one, as I lack an in depth understanding of neurology. >>> >> >>> >> >> > >> As a theist who believes in a single creator God though I >>> >> >> > >> would >>> >> >> > >> have >>> >> >> > >> to agree with Allan. >>> >> >>> >> >> > >> A large part of my struggle is with the message of God. >>> >> >> > >> Trying >>> >> >> > >> to >>> >> >> > >> recompense different religions with this single message is >>> >> >> > >> hard. >>> >> >> > >> I >>> >> >> > >> try to imagine that all religions are valid and look for >>> >> >> > >> the similarities, I rather suspect as I grow I will have to >>> >> >> > >> claim >>> >> >> > >> that some are wholly false and man made whilst others are >>> >> >> > >> the direct message from God albeit fucked with by mankind >>> >> >> > >> for his >>> >> >> > >> own nefarious ends(Christianity for example). So then the >>> >> >> > >> job >>> >> >> > >> becomes separating the wheat from the chaff, as it were. >>> >> >>> >> >> > >> How would intelligent alien life cope with God's message I >>> >> >> > >> wonder, >>> >> >> > >> and would they be in the boat as we? Perhaps they have no >>> >> >> > >> idea of >>> >> >> > >> a >>> >> >> > >> God at all? Or perhaps they may be the only beings who >>> >> >> > >> hold to >>> >> >> > >> the >>> >> >> > >> truth? Ahhh once again, I'm forced to say I don't know. >>> >> >>> >> >> > >> Let us endeavour to understand the other sentient creatures >>> >> >> > >> we >>> >> >> > >> share >>> >> >> > >> this planet with first, then just maybe we can make better >>> >> >> > >> educated >>> >> >> > >> guesses. >>> >> >>> >> >> > >> Heh yes you can assume from that I am in favour of granting >>> >> >> > >> personhood upon those 'higher order' animals, enshrouded in >>> >> >> > >> law. >>> >> >>> >> >> > >> On Friday, 26 October 2012 10:22:52 UTC+1, andrew vecsey >>> >> >> > >> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> >> > >> I agree. Extra terrestrial visitors to earth would not >>> >> >> > >> be >>> >> >> > >> comparable to us. They would have different values and >>> >> >> > >> morals. >>> >> >> > >> They would find all life sacred and would respect it, >>> >> >> > >> no >>> >> >> > >> matter >>> >> >> > >> how depraved or primitive. Perhaps they were the ones >>> >> >> > >> who >>> >> >> > >> seeded >>> >> >> > >> earth in the first place. They would probably recognize >>> >> >> > >> our >>> >> >> > >> weaknesses and would let us either survive to our next >>> >> >> > >> stage >>> >> >> > >> or >>> >> >> > >> let us destroy ourselves. >>> >> >>> >> >> > >> On Wednesday, October 24, 2012 1:19:42 PM UTC+2, >>> >> >> > >> William L. >>> >> >> > >> Houts William L. Houts Lukaeon William L. Houts wrote: >>> >> >>> >> >> > >> All right, I just wanted to run this by you guys. >>> >> >> > >> I know >>> >> >> > >> it >>> >> >> > >> seems I'm >>> >> >> > >> always rattlling on about aliens, but they're >>> >> >> > >> really a >>> >> >> > >> stand >>> >> >> > >> in for, >>> >> >> > >> well, for a lot of things. Anyway, I've been on >>> >> >> > >> Facebook >>> >> >> > >> and recently >>> >> >> > >> made a status report commenting on the conversation >>> >> >> > >> we >>> >> >> > >> had >>> >> >> > >> going on here >>> >> >> > >> about hypothetical aliens and what they might or >>> >> >> > >> might >>> >> >> > >> not >>> >> >> > >> want from >>> >> >> > >> us. And I was making the point that I made here: >>> >> >> > >> that >>> >> >> > >> said >>> >> >> > >> aliens will >>> >> >> > >> turn out to be just as befuddled by it all as we >>> >> >> > >> are, and >>> >> >> > >> are probably >>> >> >> > >> in no position to give us the goods on life's >>> >> >> > >> mysteries, >>> >> >> > >> or >>> >> >> > >> even make a >>> >> >> > >> good cocktail. >>> >> >>> >> >> > >> Now, my friend Matt, who is very smart but also >>> >> >> > >> very >>> >> >> > >> bitchy, >>> >> >> > >> put forth >>> >> >> > >> Professor Hawking's notion: that we'd better keep >>> >> >> > >> our >>> >> >> > >> heads >>> >> >> > >> down low, >>> >> >> > >> because history tells us that when a more >>> >> >> > >> technologically >>> >> >> > >> advanced >>> >> >> > >> species meets a less developed one, the results are >>> >> >> > >> usually >>> >> >> > >> horrible for >>> >> >> > >> the latter. I replied that yes, this does seem to >>> >> >> > >> be the >>> >> >> > >> pattern in >>> >> >> > >> Earth history. But, I went on, races which manage >>> >> >> > >> to >>> >> >> > >> break >>> >> >> > >> the >>> >> >> > >> lightspeed barrier are going to have better things >>> >> >> > >> to do >>> >> >> > >> than enslave 7 >>> >> >> > >> billion people, or even mistreat them very much. >>> >> >> > >> Their >>> >> >> > >> energy problems, >>> >> >> > >> I said more or less, will have been solved to such >>> >> >> > >> an >>> >> >> > >> extent >>> >> >> > >> that they >>> >> >>> >> ... >>> >> >>> >> read more ยป- Hide quoted text - >>> >> >>> >> - Show quoted text - >>> > >>> > -- >>> > >>> > >>> > >> >> -- >> >> >> > > -- > > > -- ( ) |_D Allan Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living. I am a Natural Airgunner - Full of Hot Air & Ready To Expel It Quickly. --
