Yes, hope all is well for you rigsy. In Detroit we have Sandy's wind and a bit of rain and sleet, but nothing like NYC. thinking of you with love.
On Tuesday, October 30, 2012 5:20:35 PM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote: > > sounds like you are really going to be needing your snow guy Rigsy,, > heard WV had over a meter of snow fall that must be a bitch. > Allan > > On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 8:56 PM, gabbydott <[email protected]<javascript:>> > wrote: > > You see, Neil, that's exactly why I thought we have Rigsy write the > > abstract and make her come out of the kitchen after her snow guy had > > done his job. You have spoiled it all now! > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 11:25 AM, archytas <[email protected]<javascript:>> > wrote: > >> I've just become a paradigm case of Bill's "bored traveller" - long > >> weekend with an American friend in Rome looking at art entailing the > >> Vatican (which didn't spontaneously combust) - Bernini etc. There was > >> a Hombeck on candle-light which will stick forever. I got the > >> impression Bernini could do something in static stone that would give > >> the impression of a Jimmy Johnstone dribble (he was the best ever at > >> this spectacle, if not the most effective player in modern soccer > >> terms). Couldn't get a coffee in the city that never sleeps at 3 a.m. > >> and ended-up in a Mcdonalds. The place is a dreadful tourist rip-off > >> and a week would have bankrupted us. Flight home was delayed by an > >> outbreak of Italian indolence and refusal to drive the bus to the > >> plane. Airport full of disgruntled Americans delayed by Sandy. > >> Greece and Rome descend from slave economies and attitudes that work > >> scars the soul. > >> There was so much to see and it was so pleasant to walk I came home > >> hobbling on a blister. > >> > >> Much biology is based on the economics of energy - we always seem to > >> want explanation in terms of why an organism would expend the energy > >> required to maintain an organ and so on. Our brains and even memory > >> need justification in energy terms. Much of my own interest in the > >> subject concerns desire to overcome its predestination - which these > >> days would be talked about through the notion of co-evolution and its > >> 'arms races'. My own guess for a long time has been we need to > >> organise work differently - I favour a federal Europe (World) of a > >> free table with work as a shared obligation - but one always finds > >> such opinion has been held before - one example here would be the > >> Strasser brothers who organised the Nazis when Hitler came out of > >> jail. Politically I tend to think we are stuck in the hands of a > >> rentier class much as in the inter-war years. > >> > >> I think some UFO-dreaming could help us understand this and even Star > >> Trek touches the fringes. We might, very un-art, start by wondering > >> who cleans the toilets on the Enterprise. > >> > >> On 29 Oct, 19:02, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> The Golden Way out of deference? Yes, that's probably the meaning > >>> Molly is trying to convey. Thanks, Allan. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 5:02 PM, Allan H <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>> > Gabby one of the major deference between me and christianity is I > see > >>> > God as what makes up my being,, I do not see God as being else > where. > >>> > I am expected to live up to my beliefs not making excuses to justify > >>> > violating those rules. > >>> > Allan > >>> > >>> > On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 1:24 PM, gabbydott <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>> >> Oh, hi Molly! Yes, it's true, I dared to read the bible on the same > >>> >> level as fairy tales. My Protestant nature, I guess. Going out, > >>> >> looking out, speaking out is part of that tradition too. What is it > in > >>> >> your life that makes you being different? > >>> > >>> >> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 1:06 PM, Molly <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>> >>> Looking for God outside oneself can lead to magical gang gods at a > level > >>> >>> where only the fit and corrupt survive. Many fairy tales are > imbued with > >>> >>> mystical thinking, including the bible. > >>> > >>> >>> On Monday, October 29, 2012 5:20:17 AM UTC-4, gabbydott wrote: > >>> > >>> >>>> I don't know why these far-away and up-above gods and godesses > never > >>> >>>> really made it into my heart. Maybe the down-to-earth fairy tales > >>> >>>> resembled my surroundings much more. It gives me the creeps when > >>> >>>> little street gangstas are referring to Nemesis and believe they > have > >>> >>>> got the key to the kingdom now. > >>> > >>> >>>> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 4:35 AM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>> >>>> > I pray to a God everyday but am not sure which one. He is male > and > >>> >>>> > seems helpful. Today he bolstered my strength rearranging some > >>> >>>> > furniture then rebolstered me moving stuff back as it was. > However, I > >>> >>>> > cooked a hearty meal of steak, potatoes and asparagus for > insurance.// > >>> >>>> > I think the Greek and Roman gods and goddesses represent human > nature > >>> >>>> > and traits- really provide some valuable insights for mere > mortals. > >>> > >>> >>>> > On Oct 28, 12:45 pm, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> >>>> >> Ah Lee, by that time you would have forgotten where you were > coming > >>> >>>> >> from! > >>> > >>> >>>> >> I like monotheism, because it supports my view of myself as an > >>> >>>> >> individual. And it allows me to act upon it as such. I am > aware that I > >>> >>>> >> am a social being though. Polytheism would be able to account > for > >>> >>>> >> that, but would probably only confuse me. > >>> > >>> >>>> >> On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 6:20 PM, Lee Douglas < > [email protected]> > >>> >>>> >> wrote: > >>> >>>> >> > Well that is true Rigsy, and perhaps your prediction is also > true. > >>> >>>> >> > However > >>> >>>> >> > religious faith is 'unreasonable' belief. As it is my > stance that we > >>> >>>> >> > all > >>> >>>> >> > hold to some of these along the way, then perhaps it is a > wholly > >>> >>>> >> > human/sentient being trait and we'll not be rid of it, only > time will > >>> >>>> >> > tell. > >>> >>>> >> > Just one of the reasons I want to reach at least 400 years > old. > >>> > >>> >>>> >> > On Sunday, October 28, 2012 12:52:50 PM UTC, rigsy03 wrote: > >>> > >>> >>>> >> >> Really? What about the Italian scientists who face prison > time for > >>> >>>> >> >> failing to predict the severity of an earthquake? What > harmony under > >>> >>>> >> >> the mantle of monotheism? Science and technology will make > god(s) > >>> >>>> >> >> obsolete and society can still be managed through various > value > >>> >>>> >> >> systems based on new realities and methods of control. > Presently, we > >>> >>>> >> >> are trying to integrate two oppositional positions which > accounts > >>> >>>> >> >> for > >>> >>>> >> >> a good amount of absurdity and disappointment. As extinct > creatures > >>> >>>> >> >> might have warned us, sentimentality is deadly. > >>> > >>> >>>> >> >> On Oct 28, 2:12 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> >>>> >> >> > I really do not see much beyond monotheism atheism holds > little > >>> >>>> >> >> > but > >>> >>>> >> >> > wishful madness, and as for polytheism the universes > would be > >>> >>>> >> >> > totally > >>> >>>> >> >> > different.. Just doesn't work.. You are right arrogance > is a > >>> >>>> >> >> > tremendous problem which I seriously doubt man will over > come.. > >>> >>>> >> >> > those > >>> >>>> >> >> > that are arrogant have little reason to change.. It is > the > >>> >>>> >> >> > monotheism > >>> >>>> >> >> > that keeps some what harmony,, the problems I see come > from man > >>> >>>> >> >> > changing the laws of God that have been handed down > through the > >>> >>>> >> >> > generations .. It seems these changes are really > designed to > >>> >>>> >> >> > benefit > >>> >>>> >> >> > them and their goals. > >>> > >>> >>>> >> >> > without a singular God there would be no harmony even > with in > >>> >>>> >> >> > nature > >>> >>>> >> >> > and the predictability of science would disappear. > >>> >>>> >> >> > Allan > >>> > >>> >>>> >> >> > On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 4:12 AM, James < > [email protected]> > >>> >>>> >> >> > wrote: > >>> >>>> >> >> > > I agree with S. W. Hawking where this is unknown > territory, we > >>> >>>> >> >> > > have a > >>> >>>> >> >> > > tendency to being destructive and careless. We must > evolve if we > >>> >>>> >> >> > > wish > >>> >>>> >> >> > > to > >>> >>>> >> >> > > survive, boldly while trying to work out that Achilles > heel > >>> >>>> >> >> > > (arrogance). > >>> > >>> >>>> >> >> > > Allan I was thinking similarly in part, I am not so > sure > >>> >>>> >> >> > > monotheism is > >>> >>>> >> >> > > for > >>> >>>> >> >> > > everyone though. Where people can devise stories to fit > a niche > >>> >>>> >> >> > > in > >>> >>>> >> >> > > nature, > >>> >>>> >> >> > > then further reconcile from that I think there is much > less to > >>> >>>> >> >> > > say on > >>> >>>> >> >> > > God > >>> >>>> >> >> > > than people might, it may even be sacrilege to do so. > In the > >>> >>>> >> >> > > sense of > >>> >>>> >> >> > > attempting authority on the nameless, a belligerent act > so to > >>> >>>> >> >> > > speak. > >>> >>>> >> >> > > Agrarian civilization, centralization of authority, and > cultural > >>> >>>> >> >> > > homogeneity > >>> >>>> >> >> > > (dare add monotheism) have allowed us to achieve major > >>> >>>> >> >> > > advancements > >>> >>>> >> >> > > but I > >>> >>>> >> >> > > question that we are approaching or even on track with > a > >>> >>>> >> >> > > 'destination > >>> >>>> >> >> > > truth'. It seems we are a hollow shell filled with > culture, but > >>> >>>> >> >> > > shouldn't it > >>> >>>> >> >> > > be the other way around?! > >>> > >>> >>>> >> >> > > I keep looking, but I'm just not seeing that 10% > innovation in > >>> >>>> >> >> > > the > >>> >>>> >> >> > > population, there is some serious parasitic drag > somewhere in > >>> >>>> >> >> > > our > >>> >>>> >> >> > > equations. > >>> >>>> >> >> > > Sorry so subjective tonight Al. :) > >>> > >>> >>>> >> >> > > On 10/26/2012 1:12 PM, Allan H wrote: > >>> > >>> >>>> >> >> > >> The foundations of most of the religions are not that > far > >>> >>>> >> >> > >> apart.. it > >>> >>>> >> >> > >> is > >>> >>>> >> >> > >> the interpretation of them that gets the idea screwed > up.. It > >>> >>>> >> >> > >> seems > >>> >>>> >> >> > >> though that the creator places people that have a > better link > >>> >>>> >> >> > >> and can > >>> >>>> >> >> > >> help straighten the cultures so there is hope as to > maintain > >>> >>>> >> >> > >> the > >>> >>>> >> >> > >> same > >>> >>>> >> >> > >> ideas. so I think that there us a very real > possibility that > >>> >>>> >> >> > >> common > >>> >>>> >> >> > >> ground is available. > >>> > >>> >>>> >> >> > >> poking a nd prodding out of curiosity is to be > expected it is > >>> >>>> >> >> > >> called > >>> >>>> >> >> > >> curiosity. > >>> >>>> >> >> > >> Allan > >>> > >>> >>>> >> >> > >> Matrix ** th3 beginning light > >>> > >>> >>>> >> >> > >> On Oct 26, 2012 3:18 PM, "Lee Douglas" < > [email protected] > >>> >>>> >> >> > >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > >>> > >>> >>>> >> >> > >> Ohhh I don't know Andrew. > >>> > >>> >>>> >> >> > >> As I have said we can of course speculate on all > sorts of > >>> >>>> >> >> > >> things > >>> >>>> >> >> > >> about alien life, but seeing as we can only ever > think > >>> >>>> >> >> > >> about from > >>> >>>> >> >> > >> our particular species POV, I question how useful > such > >>> >>>> >> >> > >> speculation > >>> >>>> >> >> > >> would be. I think the most logical deduction we > could make > >>> >>>> >> >> > >> is to > >>> >>>> >> >> > >> say 'Well I really don't know', and that is indeed > my line. > >>> > >>> >>>> >> >> > >> Heh of course having said that and in the spirit > of pure > >>> >>>> >> >> > >> speculation, given that our current understanding > of > >>> >>>> >> >> > >> universal > >>> >>>> >> >> > >> principles, and laws of physics etc.. seem to > encompass the > >>> >>>> >> >> > >> totality > >>> >>>> >> >> > >> of the universe, I do not think it incorrect to > draw some > >>> >>>> >> >> > >> speculative conclusions. > >>> > >>> >>>> >> >> > >> Would alien lifeforms be carbon based as on our > planet? I > >>> >>>> >> >> > >> suspect probably yes, but there are reasons enough > to > >>> >>>> >> >> > >> suppose > >>> >>>> >> >> > >> otherwise also. > >>> > >>> >>>> >> >> > >> Would then non carbon life forms form different > morality > >>> >>>> >> >> > >> than > >>> >>>> >> >> > >> carbon > >>> >>>> >> >> > >> based life forms? Umm well I'm going with 'I > don't know' > >>> >>>> >> >> > >> for > >>> >>>> >> >> > >> this > >>> >>>> >> >> > >> one, as I lack an in depth understanding of > neurology. > >>> > >>> >>>> >> >> > >> As a theist who believes in a single creator God > though I > >>> >>>> >> >> > >> would > >>> >>>> >> >> > >> have > >>> >>>> >> >> > >> to agree with Allan. > >>> > >>> >>>> >> >> > >> A large part of my struggle is with the message of > God. > >>> >>>> >> >> > >> Trying > >>> >>>> >> >> > >> to > >>> >>>> >> >> > >> recompense different religions with this single > message is > >>> >>>> >> >> > >> hard. > >>> >>>> >> >> > >> I > >>> >>>> >> >> > >> try to imagine that all religions are valid and > look for > >>> >>>> >> >> > >> the similarities, I rather suspect as I grow I > will have to > >>> >>>> >> >> > >> claim > >>> >>>> >> >> > >> that some are wholly false and man made whilst > others are > >>> >>>> >> >> > >> the direct message from God albeit fucked with by > mankind > >>> >>>> >> >> > >> for his > >>> >>>> >> >> > >> own nefarious ends(Christianity for example). So > >>> > >>> ... > >>> > >>> read more ยป > >> > >> -- > >> > >> > >> > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > -- > ( > ) > |_D Allan > > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living. > > > I am a Natural Airgunner - > > Full of Hot Air & Ready To Expel It Quickly. > --
