You are all very sweet to wish me well but I am safely nestled in America's belly. I will join your collective wishes for the east coast as it is ruinous and very sad to track.//Catching up: the fall lawn clean-up and cut backs were the best ever- hope the snow service is the same later on. My daughter has scared me with visions of a sugar plum Christmas she remembers from her childhood forgetting that she has abscounded with most all the decorations- even to the cookie cutters! We'll work it out. Have been getting bedrooms and kitchen in gear for the holidays so there isn't a last minute rush/heart attack. This house is a riot- but that is another topic. A couple invitations- will go to one- a baby shower. Exit the momastery! And yes, Gabby, was thinking of the warm sun during these cloudy days and cold nights. Saw myself sitting in the desert- very strange. Love to all- be safe.
On Oct 30, 7:53 pm, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > Yes, hope all is well for you rigsy. In Detroit we have Sandy's wind and a > bit of rain and sleet, but nothing like NYC. thinking of you with love. > > > > On Tuesday, October 30, 2012 5:20:35 PM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote: > > > sounds like you are really going to be needing your snow guy Rigsy,, > > heard WV had over a meter of snow fall that must be a bitch. > > Allan > > > On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 8:56 PM, gabbydott <[email protected]<javascript:>> > > wrote: > > > You see, Neil, that's exactly why I thought we have Rigsy write the > > > abstract and make her come out of the kitchen after her snow guy had > > > done his job. You have spoiled it all now! > > > > On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 11:25 AM, archytas <[email protected]<javascript:>> > > wrote: > > >> I've just become a paradigm case of Bill's "bored traveller" - long > > >> weekend with an American friend in Rome looking at art entailing the > > >> Vatican (which didn't spontaneously combust) - Bernini etc. There was > > >> a Hombeck on candle-light which will stick forever. I got the > > >> impression Bernini could do something in static stone that would give > > >> the impression of a Jimmy Johnstone dribble (he was the best ever at > > >> this spectacle, if not the most effective player in modern soccer > > >> terms). Couldn't get a coffee in the city that never sleeps at 3 a.m. > > >> and ended-up in a Mcdonalds. The place is a dreadful tourist rip-off > > >> and a week would have bankrupted us. Flight home was delayed by an > > >> outbreak of Italian indolence and refusal to drive the bus to the > > >> plane. Airport full of disgruntled Americans delayed by Sandy. > > >> Greece and Rome descend from slave economies and attitudes that work > > >> scars the soul. > > >> There was so much to see and it was so pleasant to walk I came home > > >> hobbling on a blister. > > > >> Much biology is based on the economics of energy - we always seem to > > >> want explanation in terms of why an organism would expend the energy > > >> required to maintain an organ and so on. Our brains and even memory > > >> need justification in energy terms. Much of my own interest in the > > >> subject concerns desire to overcome its predestination - which these > > >> days would be talked about through the notion of co-evolution and its > > >> 'arms races'. My own guess for a long time has been we need to > > >> organise work differently - I favour a federal Europe (World) of a > > >> free table with work as a shared obligation - but one always finds > > >> such opinion has been held before - one example here would be the > > >> Strasser brothers who organised the Nazis when Hitler came out of > > >> jail. Politically I tend to think we are stuck in the hands of a > > >> rentier class much as in the inter-war years. > > > >> I think some UFO-dreaming could help us understand this and even Star > > >> Trek touches the fringes. We might, very un-art, start by wondering > > >> who cleans the toilets on the Enterprise. > > > >> On 29 Oct, 19:02, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>> The Golden Way out of deference? Yes, that's probably the meaning > > >>> Molly is trying to convey. Thanks, Allan. > > > >>> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 5:02 PM, Allan H <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > >>> > Gabby one of the major deference between me and christianity is I > > see > > >>> > God as what makes up my being,, I do not see God as being else > > where. > > >>> > I am expected to live up to my beliefs not making excuses to justify > > >>> > violating those rules. > > >>> > Allan > > > >>> > On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 1:24 PM, gabbydott <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > >>> >> Oh, hi Molly! Yes, it's true, I dared to read the bible on the same > > >>> >> level as fairy tales. My Protestant nature, I guess. Going out, > > >>> >> looking out, speaking out is part of that tradition too. What is it > > in > > >>> >> your life that makes you being different? > > > >>> >> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 1:06 PM, Molly <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > >>> >>> Looking for God outside oneself can lead to magical gang gods at a > > level > > >>> >>> where only the fit and corrupt survive. Many fairy tales are > > imbued with > > >>> >>> mystical thinking, including the bible. > > > >>> >>> On Monday, October 29, 2012 5:20:17 AM UTC-4, gabbydott wrote: > > > >>> >>>> I don't know why these far-away and up-above gods and godesses > > never > > >>> >>>> really made it into my heart. Maybe the down-to-earth fairy tales > > >>> >>>> resembled my surroundings much more. It gives me the creeps when > > >>> >>>> little street gangstas are referring to Nemesis and believe they > > have > > >>> >>>> got the key to the kingdom now. > > > >>> >>>> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 4:35 AM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > >>> >>>> > I pray to a God everyday but am not sure which one. He is male > > and > > >>> >>>> > seems helpful. Today he bolstered my strength rearranging some > > >>> >>>> > furniture then rebolstered me moving stuff back as it was. > > However, I > > >>> >>>> > cooked a hearty meal of steak, potatoes and asparagus for > > insurance.// > > >>> >>>> > I think the Greek and Roman gods and goddesses represent human > > nature > > >>> >>>> > and traits- really provide some valuable insights for mere > > mortals. > > > >>> >>>> > On Oct 28, 12:45 pm, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>> >>>> >> Ah Lee, by that time you would have forgotten where you were > > coming > > >>> >>>> >> from! > > > >>> >>>> >> I like monotheism, because it supports my view of myself as an > > >>> >>>> >> individual. And it allows me to act upon it as such. I am > > aware that I > > >>> >>>> >> am a social being though. Polytheism would be able to account > > for > > >>> >>>> >> that, but would probably only confuse me. > > > >>> >>>> >> On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 6:20 PM, Lee Douglas < > > [email protected]> > > >>> >>>> >> wrote: > > >>> >>>> >> > Well that is true Rigsy, and perhaps your prediction is also > > true. > > >>> >>>> >> > However > > >>> >>>> >> > religious faith is 'unreasonable' belief. As it is my > > stance that we > > >>> >>>> >> > all > > >>> >>>> >> > hold to some of these along the way, then perhaps it is a > > wholly > > >>> >>>> >> > human/sentient being trait and we'll not be rid of it, only > > time will > > >>> >>>> >> > tell. > > >>> >>>> >> > Just one of the reasons I want to reach at least 400 years > > old. > > > >>> >>>> >> > On Sunday, October 28, 2012 12:52:50 PM UTC, rigsy03 wrote: > > > >>> >>>> >> >> Really? What about the Italian scientists who face prison > > time for > > >>> >>>> >> >> failing to predict the severity of an earthquake? What > > harmony under > > >>> >>>> >> >> the mantle of monotheism? Science and technology will make > > god(s) > > >>> >>>> >> >> obsolete and society can still be managed through various > > value > > >>> >>>> >> >> systems based on new realities and methods of control. > > Presently, we > > >>> >>>> >> >> are trying to integrate two oppositional positions which > > accounts > > >>> >>>> >> >> for > > >>> >>>> >> >> a good amount of absurdity and disappointment. As extinct > > creatures > > >>> >>>> >> >> might have warned us, sentimentality is deadly. > > > >>> >>>> >> >> On Oct 28, 2:12 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>> >>>> >> >> > I really do not see much beyond monotheism atheism holds > > little > > >>> >>>> >> >> > but > > >>> >>>> >> >> > wishful madness, and as for polytheism the universes > > would be > > >>> >>>> >> >> > totally > > >>> >>>> >> >> > different.. Just doesn't work.. You are right arrogance > > is a > > >>> >>>> >> >> > tremendous problem which I seriously doubt man will over > > come.. > > >>> >>>> >> >> > those > > >>> >>>> >> >> > that are arrogant have little reason to change.. It is > > the > > >>> >>>> >> >> > monotheism > > >>> >>>> >> >> > that keeps some what harmony,, the problems I see come > > from man > > >>> >>>> >> >> > changing the laws of God that have been handed down > > through the > > >>> >>>> >> >> > generations .. It seems these changes are really > > designed to > > >>> >>>> >> >> > benefit > > >>> >>>> >> >> > them and their goals. > > > >>> >>>> >> >> > without a singular God there would be no harmony even > > with in > > >>> >>>> >> >> > nature > > >>> >>>> >> >> > and the predictability of science would disappear. > > >>> >>>> >> >> > Allan > > > >>> >>>> >> >> > On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 4:12 AM, James < > > [email protected]> > > >>> >>>> >> >> > wrote: > > >>> >>>> >> >> > > I agree with S. W. Hawking where this is unknown > > territory, we > > >>> >>>> >> >> > > have a > > >>> >>>> >> >> > > tendency to being destructive and careless. We must > > evolve if we > > >>> >>>> >> >> > > wish > > >>> >>>> >> >> > > to > > >>> >>>> >> >> > > survive, boldly while trying to work out that Achilles > > heel > > >>> >>>> >> >> > > (arrogance). > > > >>> >>>> >> >> > > Allan I was thinking similarly in part, I am not so > > sure > > >>> >>>> >> >> > > monotheism is > > >>> >>>> >> >> > > for > > >>> >>>> >> >> > > everyone though. Where people can devise stories to fit > > a niche > > >>> >>>> >> >> > > in > > >>> >>>> >> >> > > nature, > > >>> >>>> >> >> > > then further reconcile from that I think there is much > > less to > > >>> >>>> >> >> > > say on > > >>> >>>> >> >> > > God > > >>> >>>> >> >> > > than people might, it may even be sacrilege to do so. > > In the > > >>> >>>> >> >> > > sense of > > >>> >>>> >> >> > > attempting authority on the nameless, a belligerent act > > so to > > >>> >>>> >> >> > > speak. > > >>> >>>> >> >> > > Agrarian civilization, centralization of authority, and > > cultural > > >>> >>>> >> >> > > homogeneity > > >>> >>>> >> >> > > (dare add monotheism) have > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --
