Why don't you either rent a car or buy a scooter and drive home making it a proper holiday?
I hope our friends in America at safe please let us know of possible Allan Air gunner full of hot air ready to release it quickly On Oct 30, 2012 11:25 AM, "archytas" <[email protected]> wrote: > I've just become a paradigm case of Bill's "bored traveller" - long > weekend with an American friend in Rome looking at art entailing the > Vatican (which didn't spontaneously combust) - Bernini etc. There was > a Hombeck on candle-light which will stick forever. I got the > impression Bernini could do something in static stone that would give > the impression of a Jimmy Johnstone dribble (he was the best ever at > this spectacle, if not the most effective player in modern soccer > terms). Couldn't get a coffee in the city that never sleeps at 3 a.m. > and ended-up in a Mcdonalds. The place is a dreadful tourist rip-off > and a week would have bankrupted us. Flight home was delayed by an > outbreak of Italian indolence and refusal to drive the bus to the > plane. Airport full of disgruntled Americans delayed by Sandy. > Greece and Rome descend from slave economies and attitudes that work > scars the soul. > There was so much to see and it was so pleasant to walk I came home > hobbling on a blister. > > Much biology is based on the economics of energy - we always seem to > want explanation in terms of why an organism would expend the energy > required to maintain an organ and so on. Our brains and even memory > need justification in energy terms. Much of my own interest in the > subject concerns desire to overcome its predestination - which these > days would be talked about through the notion of co-evolution and its > 'arms races'. My own guess for a long time has been we need to > organise work differently - I favour a federal Europe (World) of a > free table with work as a shared obligation - but one always finds > such opinion has been held before - one example here would be the > Strasser brothers who organised the Nazis when Hitler came out of > jail. Politically I tend to think we are stuck in the hands of a > rentier class much as in the inter-war years. > > I think some UFO-dreaming could help us understand this and even Star > Trek touches the fringes. We might, very un-art, start by wondering > who cleans the toilets on the Enterprise. > > On 29 Oct, 19:02, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > The Golden Way out of deference? Yes, that's probably the meaning > > Molly is trying to convey. Thanks, Allan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 5:02 PM, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Gabby one of the major deference between me and christianity is I see > > > God as what makes up my being,, I do not see God as being else where. > > > I am expected to live up to my beliefs not making excuses to justify > > > violating those rules. > > > Allan > > > > > On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 1:24 PM, gabbydott <[email protected]> > wrote: > > >> Oh, hi Molly! Yes, it's true, I dared to read the bible on the same > > >> level as fairy tales. My Protestant nature, I guess. Going out, > > >> looking out, speaking out is part of that tradition too. What is it in > > >> your life that makes you being different? > > > > >> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 1:06 PM, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>> Looking for God outside oneself can lead to magical gang gods at a > level > > >>> where only the fit and corrupt survive. Many fairy tales are imbued > with > > >>> mystical thinking, including the bible. > > > > >>> On Monday, October 29, 2012 5:20:17 AM UTC-4, gabbydott wrote: > > > > >>>> I don't know why these far-away and up-above gods and godesses never > > >>>> really made it into my heart. Maybe the down-to-earth fairy tales > > >>>> resembled my surroundings much more. It gives me the creeps when > > >>>> little street gangstas are referring to Nemesis and believe they > have > > >>>> got the key to the kingdom now. > > > > >>>> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 4:35 AM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>> > I pray to a God everyday but am not sure which one. He is male and > > >>>> > seems helpful. Today he bolstered my strength rearranging some > > >>>> > furniture then rebolstered me moving stuff back as it was. > However, I > > >>>> > cooked a hearty meal of steak, potatoes and asparagus for > insurance.// > > >>>> > I think the Greek and Roman gods and goddesses represent human > nature > > >>>> > and traits- really provide some valuable insights for mere > mortals. > > > > >>>> > On Oct 28, 12:45 pm, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>> >> Ah Lee, by that time you would have forgotten where you were > coming > > >>>> >> from! > > > > >>>> >> I like monotheism, because it supports my view of myself as an > > >>>> >> individual. And it allows me to act upon it as such. I am aware > that I > > >>>> >> am a social being though. Polytheism would be able to account for > > >>>> >> that, but would probably only confuse me. > > > > >>>> >> On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 6:20 PM, Lee Douglas < > [email protected]> > > >>>> >> wrote: > > >>>> >> > Well that is true Rigsy, and perhaps your prediction is also > true. > > >>>> >> > However > > >>>> >> > religious faith is 'unreasonable' belief. As it is my stance > that we > > >>>> >> > all > > >>>> >> > hold to some of these along the way, then perhaps it is a > wholly > > >>>> >> > human/sentient being trait and we'll not be rid of it, only > time will > > >>>> >> > tell. > > >>>> >> > Just one of the reasons I want to reach at least 400 years old. > > > > >>>> >> > On Sunday, October 28, 2012 12:52:50 PM UTC, rigsy03 wrote: > > > > >>>> >> >> Really? What about the Italian scientists who face prison > time for > > >>>> >> >> failing to predict the severity of an earthquake? What > harmony under > > >>>> >> >> the mantle of monotheism? Science and technology will make > god(s) > > >>>> >> >> obsolete and society can still be managed through various > value > > >>>> >> >> systems based on new realities and methods of control. > Presently, we > > >>>> >> >> are trying to integrate two oppositional positions which > accounts > > >>>> >> >> for > > >>>> >> >> a good amount of absurdity and disappointment. As extinct > creatures > > >>>> >> >> might have warned us, sentimentality is deadly. > > > > >>>> >> >> On Oct 28, 2:12 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>> >> >> > I really do not see much beyond monotheism atheism holds > little > > >>>> >> >> > but > > >>>> >> >> > wishful madness, and as for polytheism the universes would > be > > >>>> >> >> > totally > > >>>> >> >> > different.. Just doesn't work.. You are right arrogance > is a > > >>>> >> >> > tremendous problem which I seriously doubt man will over > come.. > > >>>> >> >> > those > > >>>> >> >> > that are arrogant have little reason to change.. It is the > > >>>> >> >> > monotheism > > >>>> >> >> > that keeps some what harmony,, the problems I see come > from man > > >>>> >> >> > changing the laws of God that have been handed down through > the > > >>>> >> >> > generations .. It seems these changes are really designed > to > > >>>> >> >> > benefit > > >>>> >> >> > them and their goals. > > > > >>>> >> >> > without a singular God there would be no harmony even with > in > > >>>> >> >> > nature > > >>>> >> >> > and the predictability of science would disappear. > > >>>> >> >> > Allan > > > > >>>> >> >> > On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 4:12 AM, James <[email protected] > > > > >>>> >> >> > wrote: > > >>>> >> >> > > I agree with S. W. Hawking where this is unknown > territory, we > > >>>> >> >> > > have a > > >>>> >> >> > > tendency to being destructive and careless. We must > evolve if we > > >>>> >> >> > > wish > > >>>> >> >> > > to > > >>>> >> >> > > survive, boldly while trying to work out that Achilles > heel > > >>>> >> >> > > (arrogance). > > > > >>>> >> >> > > Allan I was thinking similarly in part, I am not so sure > > >>>> >> >> > > monotheism is > > >>>> >> >> > > for > > >>>> >> >> > > everyone though. Where people can devise stories to fit a > niche > > >>>> >> >> > > in > > >>>> >> >> > > nature, > > >>>> >> >> > > then further reconcile from that I think there is much > less to > > >>>> >> >> > > say on > > >>>> >> >> > > God > > >>>> >> >> > > than people might, it may even be sacrilege to do so. In > the > > >>>> >> >> > > sense of > > >>>> >> >> > > attempting authority on the nameless, a belligerent act > so to > > >>>> >> >> > > speak. > > >>>> >> >> > > Agrarian civilization, centralization of authority, and > cultural > > >>>> >> >> > > homogeneity > > >>>> >> >> > > (dare add monotheism) have allowed us to achieve major > > >>>> >> >> > > advancements > > >>>> >> >> > > but I > > >>>> >> >> > > question that we are approaching or even on track with a > > >>>> >> >> > > 'destination > > >>>> >> >> > > truth'. It seems we are a hollow shell filled with > culture, but > > >>>> >> >> > > shouldn't it > > >>>> >> >> > > be the other way around?! > > > > >>>> >> >> > > I keep looking, but I'm just not seeing that 10% > innovation in > > >>>> >> >> > > the > > >>>> >> >> > > population, there is some serious parasitic drag > somewhere in > > >>>> >> >> > > our > > >>>> >> >> > > equations. > > >>>> >> >> > > Sorry so subjective tonight Al. :) > > > > >>>> >> >> > > On 10/26/2012 1:12 PM, Allan H wrote: > > > > >>>> >> >> > >> The foundations of most of the religions are not that far > > >>>> >> >> > >> apart.. it > > >>>> >> >> > >> is > > >>>> >> >> > >> the interpretation of them that gets the idea screwed > up.. It > > >>>> >> >> > >> seems > > >>>> >> >> > >> though that the creator places people that have a better > link > > >>>> >> >> > >> and can > > >>>> >> >> > >> help straighten the cultures so there is hope as to > maintain > > >>>> >> >> > >> the > > >>>> >> >> > >> same > > >>>> >> >> > >> ideas. so I think that there us a very real possibility > that > > >>>> >> >> > >> common > > >>>> >> >> > >> ground is available. > > > > >>>> >> >> > >> poking a nd prodding out of curiosity is to be expected > it is > > >>>> >> >> > >> called > > >>>> >> >> > >> curiosity. > > >>>> >> >> > >> Allan > > > > >>>> >> >> > >> Matrix ** th3 beginning light > > > > >>>> >> >> > >> On Oct 26, 2012 3:18 PM, "Lee Douglas" < > [email protected] > > >>>> >> >> > >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > >>>> >> >> > >> Ohhh I don't know Andrew. > > > > >>>> >> >> > >> As I have said we can of course speculate on all > sorts of > > >>>> >> >> > >> things > > >>>> >> >> > >> about alien life, but seeing as we can only ever > think > > >>>> >> >> > >> about from > > >>>> >> >> > >> our particular species POV, I question how useful > such > > >>>> >> >> > >> speculation > > >>>> >> >> > >> would be. I think the most logical deduction we > could make > > >>>> >> >> > >> is to > > >>>> >> >> > >> say 'Well I really don't know', and that is indeed > my line. > > > > >>>> >> >> > >> Heh of course having said that and in the spirit of > pure > > >>>> >> >> > >> speculation, given that our current understanding of > > >>>> >> >> > >> universal > > >>>> >> >> > >> principles, and laws of physics etc.. seem to > encompass the > > >>>> >> >> > >> totality > > >>>> >> >> > >> of the universe, I do not think it incorrect to draw > some > > >>>> >> >> > >> speculative conclusions. > > > > >>>> >> >> > >> Would alien lifeforms be carbon based as on our > planet? I > > >>>> >> >> > >> suspect probably yes, but there are reasons enough to > > >>>> >> >> > >> suppose > > >>>> >> >> > >> otherwise also. > > > > >>>> >> >> > >> Would then non carbon life forms form different > morality > > >>>> >> >> > >> than > > >>>> >> >> > >> carbon > > >>>> >> >> > >> based life forms? Umm well I'm going with 'I don't > know' > > >>>> >> >> > >> for > > >>>> >> >> > >> this > > >>>> >> >> > >> one, as I lack an in depth understanding of > neurology. > > > > >>>> >> >> > >> As a theist who believes in a single creator God > though I > > >>>> >> >> > >> would > > >>>> >> >> > >> have > > >>>> >> >> > >> to agree with Allan. > > > > >>>> >> >> > >> A large part of my struggle is with the message of > God. > > >>>> >> >> > >> Trying > > >>>> >> >> > >> to > > >>>> >> >> > >> recompense different religions with this single > message is > > >>>> >> >> > >> hard. > > >>>> >> >> > >> I > > >>>> >> >> > >> try to imagine that all religions are valid and look > for > > >>>> >> >> > >> the similarities, I rather suspect as I grow I will > have to > > >>>> >> >> > >> claim > > >>>> >> >> > >> that some are wholly false and man made whilst > others are > > >>>> >> >> > >> the direct message from God albeit fucked with by > mankind > > >>>> >> >> > >> for his > > >>>> >> >> > >> own nefarious ends(Christianity for example). So > > > > ... > > > > read more ยป > > -- > > > > --
