off hand rigsy two come to mind.. christmas is the pagan holiday celebrating the winter solstice .. and let me see thanksgiving so widely celebrated in the US is a celebration created by the pilgrims so could steal the land of the native americans that were already there and helping them survive in a harsh new land.. both great christian holidays Allan
On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 11:01 AM, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > xtian aka christianity > > On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 8:02 AM, rigs <[email protected]> wrote: >> It depends on what religion you are referring to. Very funny line >> about Pilate! :-) >> >> On Dec 6, 4:09 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Sounds like something Pontius Pilate might have used. >>> >>> I guess that David Deutsch and constructor theory tries to get back to >>> reminding science about its root guesses Allan. I take from >>> 'Spartacus Ants' sacrificing themselves to destroy slaver ants that >>> pre-human biology 'knows' something of survival instinct. >>> >>> Descartes had it that until we could get to a point of re-evaluating >>> against his radical doubt one had to trust in a beneficent god. >>> Whilst we can criticize his system, I think anti-religious science >>> misses the beat on issues of how we can live until we know more. The >>> spiritual thus has its place. There is plenty to avoid in its history >>> of control fraud, abuse, sexism and war crimes - but plenty to learn >>> in terms of grace and fellowship. >>> >>> On 6 Dec, 08:15, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> > it is not for cleaning hands ,, it just gets rid of smell that you >>> > can not get rid of no matter how much you wash.. you just wash after >>> > youor hands are clean,, then the smell is gone. >>> > Allan >>> >>> > On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 11:27 PM, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > > Hm, I have never thought of using a steel soap bar for cleaning my >>> > > hands. I >>> > > use it occasionally for my pots and pans. And for the more difficult >>> > > dirt on >>> > > my hands I use a pumice stone or lemon. And more and more often I wear >>> > > gloves or buy frozen and precut garlic and onion. But thanks for the >>> > > tip. >>> > > I'm sure that one day I'll make use of it. Why not steel instead of >>> > > stone, >>> > > you're right. >>> >>> > > On Tuesday, December 4, 2012 7:54:42 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote: >>> >>> > >> Well actually Gabby I have this stainless steel soap bar used for >>> > >> getting rid of ordure off your hands things like onion, Garlic ,, >>> > >> any strong ordure ,, just tried it on the epoxy smell left over from >>> > >> fixing my maxi egg coddler. >>> >>> > >> now one of the greatest mysteries of the universe,, how does it work? >>> > >> Allan >>> >>> > >> On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 6:38 PM, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > >> > The pointlessness of the points' business. Like Lee, I find the God >>> > >> > concept >>> > >> > much more to the point. :) >>> >>> > >> > I don't follow Lee's sequencing model - first spirit, then matter - >>> > >> > though. >>> > >> > This sounds very man-made to me. ;) >>> >>> > >> > As for the storytelling aspect, yes, the Chronos story is much more >>> > >> > vivid >>> > >> > than the "God created (x) and saw it was good" story. That's true. >>> > >> > But >>> > >> > the >>> > >> > children are less likely to have bad dreams at night. Which is really >>> > >> > good. >>> >>> > >> > Sorry, Allan, I got carried away. What were you talking about? >>> >>> > >> > 2012/12/4 Allan H <[email protected]> >>> >>> > >> >> a series of creation is at best a wild guess with no supporting >>> > >> >> evidence.. >>> > >> >> Allan >>> >>> > >> >> On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 4:42 PM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > >> >> > You can pinpoint the beginning of this universe but not that of >>> > >> >> > Creation with its series of universes. >>> >>> > >> >> > On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Allan H <[email protected]> >>> > >> >> > wrote: >>> > >> >> >> That is not true the beginning can be pretty much pinpointed .. >>> > >> >> >> as >>> > >> >> >> for >>> > >> >> >> parallel universes that is just a wild guess with nothing to >>> > >> >> >> support >>> > >> >> >> the >>> > >> >> >> other than it sounds good. There is more evidence supporting the >>> > >> >> >> spiritual >>> > >> >> >> realm than parallel universes >>> > >> >> >> Allan >>> >>> > >> >> >> Matrix ** th3 beginning light >>> >>> > >> >> >> On Dec 4, 2012 2:26 PM, "RP Singh" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> > >> >> >>> In my view there is no beginning to creation. There is beginning >>> > >> >> >>> and >>> > >> >> >>> end to universes There are infinite no. of universes in parallel >>> > >> >> >>> and >>> > >> >> >>> continuously many universes are being born and many are dying , >>> > >> >> >>> but >>> > >> >> >>> Creation which includes infinite universes in eternal time , >>> > >> >> >>> just >>> > >> >> >>> like >>> > >> >> >>> the Spirit, is without beginning and without end. The >>> > >> >> >>> difference is >>> > >> >> >>> that the nature of creation is dualistic and the Spirit is >>> > >> >> >>> non-dual. >>> >>> > >> >> >>> On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 5:34 PM, Lee Douglas >>> > >> >> >>> <[email protected]> >>> > >> >> >>> wrote: >>> > >> >> >>> > Hello Andrew, >>> >>> > >> >> >>> > Heh I can envisage many things, but alas many of them are not >>> > >> >> >>> > true. >>> > >> >> >>> > I >>> > >> >> >>> > distinguish between two things, matter and spirit. Mattter is >>> > >> >> >>> > all >>> > >> >> >>> > that >>> > >> >> >>> > is >>> > >> >> >>> > physical, which includes physical 'matter' and also energy. >>> > >> >> >>> > To >>> > >> >> >>> > me >>> > >> >> >>> > there >>> > >> >> >>> > is >>> > >> >> >>> > no paradox of who created the creator. Before the begining >>> > >> >> >>> > there >>> > >> >> >>> > was >>> > >> >> >>> > only >>> > >> >> >>> > God, God in spirit, and God created the creation out of the >>> > >> >> >>> > spirt >>> > >> >> >>> > of >>> > >> >> >>> > God. >>> > >> >> >>> > That is all matter comes from spirit. >>> >>> > >> >> >>> > On Friday, 30 November 2012 18:32:43 UTC, andrew vecsey wrote: >>> >>> > >> >> >>> >> Lee, I can see where all matter has to have an energy >>> > >> >> >>> >> component >>> > >> >> >>> >> to >>> > >> >> >>> >> it >>> > >> >> >>> >> because matter is manifested as atoms which have motion in >>> > >> >> >>> >> them. >>> > >> >> >>> >> But I >>> > >> >> >>> >> could >>> > >> >> >>> >> also envision pure motion without involving any atoms...like >>> > >> >> >>> >> a >>> > >> >> >>> >> vibration in >>> > >> >> >>> >> the fabric of space, >>> >>> > >> >> >>> >> On Friday, November 30, 2012 5:53:26 PM UTC+1, Lee Douglas >>> > >> >> >>> >> wrote: >>> >>> > >> >> >>> >>> Heh except of course that when it comes right down to >>> > >> >> >>> >>> it.energy >>> > >> >> >>> >>> is >>> > >> >> >>> >>> matter >>> > >> >> >>> >>> and matter is energy. >>> > >> >> >>> >>> On Friday, 30 November 2012 11:22:14 UTC, andrew vecsey >>> > >> >> >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> > >> >> >>> >>>> The paradoxical dilemma of who created the creator can be >>> > >> >> >>> >>>> circumnavigated by the possibility that the original >>> > >> >> >>> >>>> creator >>> > >> >> >>> >>>> was >>> > >> >> >>> >>>> not >>> > >> >> >>> >>>> matter, >>> > >> >> >>> >>>> but energy. Just like thinking of anything is much faster >>> > >> >> >>> >>>> and >>> > >> >> >>> >>>> much >>> > >> >> >>> >>>> easier >>> > >> >> >>> >>>> than building it, it becomes conceivable that energy >>> > >> >> >>> >>>> patterns >>> > >> >> >>> >>>> could >>> > >> >> >>> >>>> have >>> > >> >> >>> >>>> evolved in a random chance way and finely tuned by >>> > >> >> >>> >>>> selective >>> > >> >> >>> >>>> processes to >>> > >> >> >>> >>>> reach intelligence similar to how most scientists believe >>> > >> >> >>> >>>> that >>> > >> >> >>> >>>> patterns of >>> > >> >> >>> >>>> atoms and molecules evolved to form intelligent life. >>> >>> > >> >> >>> >>>> Energy patterns could have evolved to a point that they >>> > >> >> >>> >>>> manipulated >>> > >> >> >>> >>>> atoms to desired patterns and forms to code the information >>> > >> >> >>> >>>> required >>> > >> >> >>> >>>> for >>> > >> >> >>> >>>> life and to allow them to evolve on their own to complex >>> > >> >> >>> >>>> intelligent >>> > >> >> >>> >>>> beings >>> > >> >> >>> >>>> able to wonder at and eventually to solve the riddle of >>> > >> >> >>> >>>> where >>> > >> >> >>> >>>> they >>> > >> >> >>> >>>> came >>> > >> >> >>> >>>> from, where they are going and why they are alive. Meaning >>> > >> >> >>> >>>> and >>> > >> >> >>> >>>> purpose could >>> > >> >> >>> >>>> then be given to our fleeting moment of existence. >>> >>> > >> >> >>> >>>> On Thursday, November 29, 2012 7:55:05 PM UTC+1, archytas >>> > >> >> >>> >>>> wrote: >>> >>> > >> >> >>> >>>>> ....... All we have in respect of this is to posit >>> > >> >> >>> >>>>> creation, begging the question of what created that in an >>> > >> >> >>> >>>>> infinite >>> > >> >> >>> >>>>> regress. .....We might get to an intelligent state in >>> > >> >> >>> >>>>> which >>> > >> >> >>> >>>>> creation >>> > >> >> >>> >>>>> myths are replaced by something more plausible and Truth >>> > >> >> >>> >>>>> comes >>> > >> >> >>> >>>>> closer. >>> >>> > >> >> >>> >>>>> On 29 Nov, 01:41, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > Neil , even after re-transposition how long could the >>> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > brain >>> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > live >>> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > --1000 years , 10000years or maybe as long as the >>> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > universe >>> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > ,but >>> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > ultimately it will die or be destroyed at the end - >>> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > time of >>> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > the >>> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > universe. What survives is the Truth behind life and >>> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > nothing >>> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > else. >>> >>> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 3:33 AM, archytas >>> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > <[email protected]> >>> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > wrote: >>> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > What survives is the gene - subject to mutations etc. >>> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > We >>> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > are >>> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > already >>> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > 'Borg' in the sense of mass assimilation. One's mind >>> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > could >>> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > be >>> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > transposed to another substrate (nearish future) - our >>> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > bodies >>> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > are >>> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > currently replaced every 5 years or so- and the new >>> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > substrate >>> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > could >>> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > have nanobots that would allow minds to outlive Lee's >>> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > 'hope'. >>> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > Such >>> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > substrated minds might link in super-intelligence and >>> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > be >>> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > able to >>> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > re- >>> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > transfer into more human-like bodies they learned to >>> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > make. >>> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > This >>> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > would >>> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > be a time beyond singularity. We don't know what such >>> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > intelligence >>> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > might invent or even discover - perhaps such >>> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > intelligence >>> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > would >>> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > discover we are not as alone as we think. Being >>> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > human or >>> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > human >>> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > being >>> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > might be as irrelevant as a mitochondria wanting to >>> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > live >>> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > free >>> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > again. >>> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > We might be free of the tiny machines (genes) so much >>> >>> ... >>> >>> read more ยป- Hide quoted text - >>> >>> - Show quoted text - >> >> -- >> >> >> > > > > -- > ( > ) > |_D Allan > > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living. > > > I am a Natural Airgunner - > > Full of Hot Air & Ready To Expel It Quickly. -- ( ) |_D Allan Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living. I am a Natural Airgunner - Full of Hot Air & Ready To Expel It Quickly. --
