Bah humbug, bloody Christmas again. I can feel the blues gathering even now.
On Saturday, 8 December 2012 07:15:13 UTC, rigs wrote: > > Actually, it derived from a Roman feast so there is a mix of sacred > and profane. I had more Christmas decorations than I thought so I have > been busy with that plus getting ready to bake. My daughter is so > excited to share our memories and favorites with her young daughters. > And snow has finally started to arrive. Perfect! > > On Dec 7, 11:00 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > The Xtians do Xmas quite well Lee - though it is in fact the Anglo- > > Saxon New Year. > > > > On 7 Dec, 16:35, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Haha whatever gave you that impression Allan? > > > > > Really though you don't think that female priests represent a change > in > > > theology? I know both gay men and gay woman who are preists, this is > known > > > and excepted in the Anglican church. I don't know one Christian who > keeps > > > the sabath, rather than do a spot of shopping, do you? > > > > > On Friday, 7 December 2012 14:01:48 UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: > > > > I know you dis agree .. birth control and woman bishops effectively > no > > > > more than administration. How has those events changing the > theology? They > > > > still strickly following the rules unchanged since early centuries > > > > Allan > > > > > > Matrix ** th3 beginning light > > > > On Dec 7, 2012 1:35 PM, "Lee Douglas" > > > > <[email protected]<javascript:>> > > > > wrote: > > > > > >> You are joking right Allan? > > > > > >> The changes are only in administration? So Catholics the world > over are > > > >> not using contraception in spite of what the pope says? No such > change I > > > >> think is driven and will be further driven by the faiths followers > more > > > >> than it's leaders. When the new Arch Bishop of Canterbury leaves > his new > > > >> post any changes that he has affected will still be there, one day > woman > > > >> Bishops will be common place, despite any changes in > administration. > > > > > >> Besides if you think of religous ideas in the same way as any and > all > > > >> other ideas, then it is clear to see that such ideas will evolve or > die. > > > >> We no longer belive that the Earth is the center of the universe, > that > > > >> right there is a dead religous idea. Yet Catholosism is still very > much > > > >> with us, and that right there is an example of evolotion of the > idea rather > > > >> than the admisistration. > > > >> On Friday, 7 December 2012 11:40:07 UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: > > > > > >>> The changes are only in administration,, to me that is not > evolutionary > > > >>> type change > > > >>> Allan > > > > > >>> Matrix ** th3 beginning light > > > >>> On Dec 7, 2012 11:51 AM, "Lee Douglas" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > >>>> Hahah maybey, maybe. I am though the eternal optimist so I see > things > > > >>>> differantly. > > > > > >>>> The Anglican church in particular are making some good moves. > > > > > >>>> There are though only two things I wish to comment on at this > momnet. > > > > > >>>> My career in IT support thus far informs me that people do seem > to have > > > >>>> an inbuilt resistance to change, and ultimatly the Christian > church in > > > >>>> particular but of course all other dogmatic religions need to > change or > > > >>>> they risk dieing out. > > > >>>> On Friday, 7 December 2012 10:02:37 UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: > > > > > >>>>> From what I have seen it does evolve.. it seems mostly in the > > > >>>>> negative directions.. probably because of greed and a desire to > > > >>>>> control rather than spirituality.. there are exceptions but > they are > > > >>>>> rare. > > > >>>>> Allan > > > > > >>>>> On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 10:45 AM, Lee Douglas < > [email protected]> > > > >>>>> wrote: > > > >>>>> > And in truth Allan religion does evolove, perhaps slowly but > evolove > > > >>>>> it > > > >>>>> > does. > > > > > >>>>> > On Thursday, 6 December 2012 19:21:35 UTC, Allan Heretic > wrote: > > > > > >>>>> >> I think that religion should evolve..just like the rest of > the > > > >>>>> >> universe.. when the evolution stops it begins to die.. a > good > > > >>>>> example > > > >>>>> >> of dead beliefs is those our fundamentalist friend is > presenting. > > > >>>>> >> Recite the magickal incantation and and every thing will be > all > > > >>>>> >> right.. this statement to me is one of a dead faith' > > > >>>>> >> Allan > > > > > >>>>> >> On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 6:31 PM, archytas <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > >>>>> >> > Biology is describing a 'co-evolution arms race'. > Religious > > > >>>>> notions > > > >>>>> >> > of the eternal have a lot in common with Popper's 'World 3' > and > > > >>>>> what > > > >>>>> >> > we can regard as 'objective' and 'factual' I'm as sure as > you > > > >>>>> about > > > >>>>> >> > the 'meanness' you often describe and believe the way > through it, > > > >>>>> past > > > >>>>> >> > it, whatever - is spiritual - maybe a kind of dawning. > > > > > >>>>> >> > There's a joke in the new Batman film (other 2 hours plus > > > >>>>> rubbish) - > > > >>>>> >> > when the bad guys raid the stock exchange a trader says > there is > > > >>>>> no > > > >>>>> >> > money there for them to steal - the answer is that there > must be > > > >>>>> - > > > >>>>> >> > otherwise the traders wouldn't be there. I think economics > is > > > >>>>> largely > > > >>>>> >> > a fetish designed around libidinal and domination 'needs' - > but > > > >>>>> even > > > >>>>> >> > organised religion becomes such. My guess is we need a > spiritual > > > >>>>> >> > democracy and finance is set against this forcing us into > > > >>>>> compliance > > > >>>>> >> > with its control fraud much as many routinely bend their > knees in > > > >>>>> >> > religious observance. Science, admittedly as reliably as a > > > >>>>> double- > > > >>>>> >> > glazing salesman, is suggesting human-biological > intelligence is > > > >>>>> >> > already giving way to more machine-substrates that offer > quasi- > > > >>>>> >> > immortality and intellect beyond a singularity we can > hardly > > > >>>>> imagine. > > > >>>>> >> > In my science fiction dreaming we may discover the alien > life on > > > >>>>> Earth > > > >>>>> >> > is actually ours and we have only been used by another, > more > > > >>>>> worthy > > > >>>>> >> > consciousness.. > > > > > >>>>> >> > On 6 Dec, 12:26, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >>>>> >> >> Many things are best guesses.. are the foundation to many > > > >>>>> things along > > > >>>>> >> >> what has been observed .. and there is nothing wrong with > that > > > >>>>> .. many > > > >>>>> >> >> ideas have evolved from the instinct for survival .. from > that > > > >>>>> has come > > > >>>>> >> >> selfishness which has lead to the excessive uncaring greed > we > > > >>>>> see > > > >>>>> >> >> today... > > > >>>>> >> >> sacrificing the other ant. > > > >>>>> >> >> Allan > > > > > >>>>> >> >> Matrix ** th3 beginning light > > > >>>>> >> >> On Dec 6, 2012 11:09 AM, "archytas" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > >>>>> >> >> > Sounds like something Pontius Pilate might have used. > > > > > >>>>> >> >> > I guess that David Deutsch and constructor theory tries > to get > > > >>>>> back > > > >>>>> >> >> > to > > > >>>>> >> >> > reminding science about its root guesses Allan. I take > from > > > >>>>> >> >> > 'Spartacus Ants' sacrificing themselves to destroy > slaver ants > > > >>>>> that > > > >>>>> >> >> > pre-human biology 'knows' something of survival > instinct. > > > > > >>>>> >> >> > Descartes had it that until we could get to a point of > > > >>>>> re-evaluating > > > >>>>> >> >> > against his radical doubt one had to trust in a > beneficent > > > >>>>> god. > > > >>>>> >> >> > Whilst we can criticize his system, I think > anti-religious > > > >>>>> science > > > >>>>> >> >> > misses the beat on issues of how we can live until we > know > > > >>>>> more. The > > > >>>>> >> >> > spiritual thus has its place. There is plenty to avoid > in its > > > >>>>> history > > > >>>>> >> >> > of control fraud, abuse, sexism and war crimes - but > plenty to > > > >>>>> learn > > > >>>>> >> >> > in terms of grace and fellowship. > > > > > >>>>> >> >> > On 6 Dec, 08:15, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >>>>> >> >> > > it is not for cleaning hands ,, it just gets rid of > smell > > > >>>>> that > > > >>>>> >> >> > > you > > > >>>>> >> >> > > can not get rid of no matter how much you wash.. you > just > > > >>>>> wash > > > >>>>> >> >> > > after > > > >>>>> >> >> > > youor hands are clean,, then the smell is gone. > > > >>>>> >> >> > > Allan > > > > > >>>>> >> >> > > On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 11:27 PM, gabbydott < > > > >>>>> [email protected]> > > > >>>>> >> >> > > wrote: > > > >>>>> >> >> > > > Hm, I have never thought of using a steel soap bar > for > > > >>>>> cleaning > > > >>>>> >> >> > > > my > > > >>>>> >> >> > hands. I > > > >>>>> >> >> > > > use it occasionally for my pots and pans. And for > the more > > > >>>>> >> >> > > > difficult > > > >>>>> >> >> > dirt on > > > >>>>> >> >> > > > my hands I use a pumice stone or lemon. And more and > more > > > >>>>> often I > > > >>>>> >> >> > > > wear > > > >>>>> >> >> > > > gloves or buy frozen and precut garlic and onion. > But > > > >>>>> thanks for > > > >>>>> >> >> > > > the > > > >>>>> >> >> > tip. > > > >>>>> >> >> > > > I'm sure that one day I'll make use of it. Why not > steel > > > >>>>> instead > > > >>>>> >> >> > > > of > > > >>>>> >> >> > stone, > > > >>>>> >> >> > > > you're right. > > > > > >>>>> >> >> > > > On Tuesday, December 4, 2012 7:54:42 PM UTC+1, Allan > > > >>>>> Heretic > > > >>>>> >> >> > > > wrote: > > > > > >>>>> >> >> > > >> Well actually Gabby I have this stainless steel > soap bar > > > >>>>> used > > > >>>>> >> >> > > >> for > > > >>>>> >> >> > > >> getting rid of ordure off your hands things like > onion, > > > >>>>> Garlic > > > >>>>> >> >> > > >> ,, > > > >>>>> >> >> > > >> any strong ordure ,, just tried it on the epoxy > smell > > > >>>>> left > > > >>>>> >> >> > > >> over from > > > >>>>> >> >> > > >> fixing my maxi egg coddler. > > > > > >>>>> >> >> > > >> now one of the greatest mysteries of the universe,, > how > > > >>>>> does it > > > >>>>> >> >> > > >> work? > > > >>>>> >> >> > > >> Allan > > > > > >>>>> >> >> > > >> On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 6:38 PM, gabbydott < > > > >>>>> [email protected]> > > > >>>>> >> >> > > >> wrote: > > > >>>>> >> >> > > >> > The pointlessness of the points' business. Like > Lee, I > > > >>>>> find > > > >>>>> >> >> > > >> > the God > > > >>>>> >> >> > > >> > concept > > > >>>>> >> >> > > >> > much more to the point. :) > > > > > >>>>> >> >> > > >> > I don't follow Lee's sequencing model - first > spirit, > > > >>>>> then > > > >>>>> >> >> > > >> > matter - > > > >>>>> >> >> > > >> > though. > > > >>>>> >> >> > > >> > This sounds very man-made to me. ;) > > > > > >>>>> >> >> > > >> > As for the storytelling aspect, yes, the Chronos > story > > > >>>>> is much > > > >>>>> >> >> > > >> > more > > > >>>>> >> >> > > >> > vivid > > > >>>>> >> >> > > >> > than the "God created (x) and saw it > > > > ... > > > > read more ยป- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > --
