xtian aka christianity On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 8:02 AM, rigs <[email protected]> wrote: > It depends on what religion you are referring to. Very funny line > about Pilate! :-) > > On Dec 6, 4:09 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >> Sounds like something Pontius Pilate might have used. >> >> I guess that David Deutsch and constructor theory tries to get back to >> reminding science about its root guesses Allan. I take from >> 'Spartacus Ants' sacrificing themselves to destroy slaver ants that >> pre-human biology 'knows' something of survival instinct. >> >> Descartes had it that until we could get to a point of re-evaluating >> against his radical doubt one had to trust in a beneficent god. >> Whilst we can criticize his system, I think anti-religious science >> misses the beat on issues of how we can live until we know more. The >> spiritual thus has its place. There is plenty to avoid in its history >> of control fraud, abuse, sexism and war crimes - but plenty to learn >> in terms of grace and fellowship. >> >> On 6 Dec, 08:15, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> > it is not for cleaning hands ,, it just gets rid of smell that you >> > can not get rid of no matter how much you wash.. you just wash after >> > youor hands are clean,, then the smell is gone. >> > Allan >> >> > On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 11:27 PM, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > Hm, I have never thought of using a steel soap bar for cleaning my >> > > hands. I >> > > use it occasionally for my pots and pans. And for the more difficult >> > > dirt on >> > > my hands I use a pumice stone or lemon. And more and more often I wear >> > > gloves or buy frozen and precut garlic and onion. But thanks for the tip. >> > > I'm sure that one day I'll make use of it. Why not steel instead of >> > > stone, >> > > you're right. >> >> > > On Tuesday, December 4, 2012 7:54:42 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote: >> >> > >> Well actually Gabby I have this stainless steel soap bar used for >> > >> getting rid of ordure off your hands things like onion, Garlic ,, >> > >> any strong ordure ,, just tried it on the epoxy smell left over from >> > >> fixing my maxi egg coddler. >> >> > >> now one of the greatest mysteries of the universe,, how does it work? >> > >> Allan >> >> > >> On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 6:38 PM, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > The pointlessness of the points' business. Like Lee, I find the God >> > >> > concept >> > >> > much more to the point. :) >> >> > >> > I don't follow Lee's sequencing model - first spirit, then matter - >> > >> > though. >> > >> > This sounds very man-made to me. ;) >> >> > >> > As for the storytelling aspect, yes, the Chronos story is much more >> > >> > vivid >> > >> > than the "God created (x) and saw it was good" story. That's true. But >> > >> > the >> > >> > children are less likely to have bad dreams at night. Which is really >> > >> > good. >> >> > >> > Sorry, Allan, I got carried away. What were you talking about? >> >> > >> > 2012/12/4 Allan H <[email protected]> >> >> > >> >> a series of creation is at best a wild guess with no supporting >> > >> >> evidence.. >> > >> >> Allan >> >> > >> >> On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 4:42 PM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> >> > You can pinpoint the beginning of this universe but not that of >> > >> >> > Creation with its series of universes. >> >> > >> >> > On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> >> >> That is not true the beginning can be pretty much pinpointed .. >> > >> >> >> as >> > >> >> >> for >> > >> >> >> parallel universes that is just a wild guess with nothing to >> > >> >> >> support >> > >> >> >> the >> > >> >> >> other than it sounds good. There is more evidence supporting the >> > >> >> >> spiritual >> > >> >> >> realm than parallel universes >> > >> >> >> Allan >> >> > >> >> >> Matrix ** th3 beginning light >> >> > >> >> >> On Dec 4, 2012 2:26 PM, "RP Singh" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >>> In my view there is no beginning to creation. There is beginning >> > >> >> >>> and >> > >> >> >>> end to universes There are infinite no. of universes in parallel >> > >> >> >>> and >> > >> >> >>> continuously many universes are being born and many are dying , >> > >> >> >>> but >> > >> >> >>> Creation which includes infinite universes in eternal time , just >> > >> >> >>> like >> > >> >> >>> the Spirit, is without beginning and without end. The difference >> > >> >> >>> is >> > >> >> >>> that the nature of creation is dualistic and the Spirit is >> > >> >> >>> non-dual. >> >> > >> >> >>> On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 5:34 PM, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> >> > >> >> >>> wrote: >> > >> >> >>> > Hello Andrew, >> >> > >> >> >>> > Heh I can envisage many things, but alas many of them are not >> > >> >> >>> > true. >> > >> >> >>> > I >> > >> >> >>> > distinguish between two things, matter and spirit. Mattter is >> > >> >> >>> > all >> > >> >> >>> > that >> > >> >> >>> > is >> > >> >> >>> > physical, which includes physical 'matter' and also energy. To >> > >> >> >>> > me >> > >> >> >>> > there >> > >> >> >>> > is >> > >> >> >>> > no paradox of who created the creator. Before the begining >> > >> >> >>> > there >> > >> >> >>> > was >> > >> >> >>> > only >> > >> >> >>> > God, God in spirit, and God created the creation out of the >> > >> >> >>> > spirt >> > >> >> >>> > of >> > >> >> >>> > God. >> > >> >> >>> > That is all matter comes from spirit. >> >> > >> >> >>> > On Friday, 30 November 2012 18:32:43 UTC, andrew vecsey wrote: >> >> > >> >> >>> >> Lee, I can see where all matter has to have an energy >> > >> >> >>> >> component >> > >> >> >>> >> to >> > >> >> >>> >> it >> > >> >> >>> >> because matter is manifested as atoms which have motion in >> > >> >> >>> >> them. >> > >> >> >>> >> But I >> > >> >> >>> >> could >> > >> >> >>> >> also envision pure motion without involving any atoms...like a >> > >> >> >>> >> vibration in >> > >> >> >>> >> the fabric of space, >> >> > >> >> >>> >> On Friday, November 30, 2012 5:53:26 PM UTC+1, Lee Douglas >> > >> >> >>> >> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >>> >>> Heh except of course that when it comes right down to >> > >> >> >>> >>> it.energy >> > >> >> >>> >>> is >> > >> >> >>> >>> matter >> > >> >> >>> >>> and matter is energy. >> > >> >> >>> >>> On Friday, 30 November 2012 11:22:14 UTC, andrew vecsey >> > >> >> >>> >>> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> The paradoxical dilemma of who created the creator can be >> > >> >> >>> >>>> circumnavigated by the possibility that the original creator >> > >> >> >>> >>>> was >> > >> >> >>> >>>> not >> > >> >> >>> >>>> matter, >> > >> >> >>> >>>> but energy. Just like thinking of anything is much faster >> > >> >> >>> >>>> and >> > >> >> >>> >>>> much >> > >> >> >>> >>>> easier >> > >> >> >>> >>>> than building it, it becomes conceivable that energy >> > >> >> >>> >>>> patterns >> > >> >> >>> >>>> could >> > >> >> >>> >>>> have >> > >> >> >>> >>>> evolved in a random chance way and finely tuned by selective >> > >> >> >>> >>>> processes to >> > >> >> >>> >>>> reach intelligence similar to how most scientists believe >> > >> >> >>> >>>> that >> > >> >> >>> >>>> patterns of >> > >> >> >>> >>>> atoms and molecules evolved to form intelligent life. >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> Energy patterns could have evolved to a point that they >> > >> >> >>> >>>> manipulated >> > >> >> >>> >>>> atoms to desired patterns and forms to code the information >> > >> >> >>> >>>> required >> > >> >> >>> >>>> for >> > >> >> >>> >>>> life and to allow them to evolve on their own to complex >> > >> >> >>> >>>> intelligent >> > >> >> >>> >>>> beings >> > >> >> >>> >>>> able to wonder at and eventually to solve the riddle of >> > >> >> >>> >>>> where >> > >> >> >>> >>>> they >> > >> >> >>> >>>> came >> > >> >> >>> >>>> from, where they are going and why they are alive. Meaning >> > >> >> >>> >>>> and >> > >> >> >>> >>>> purpose could >> > >> >> >>> >>>> then be given to our fleeting moment of existence. >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> On Thursday, November 29, 2012 7:55:05 PM UTC+1, archytas >> > >> >> >>> >>>> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> ....... All we have in respect of this is to posit >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> creation, begging the question of what created that in an >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> infinite >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> regress. .....We might get to an intelligent state in >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> which >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> creation >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> myths are replaced by something more plausible and Truth >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> comes >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> closer. >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> On 29 Nov, 01:41, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > Neil , even after re-transposition how long could the >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > brain >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > live >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > --1000 years , 10000years or maybe as long as the >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > universe >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > ,but >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > ultimately it will die or be destroyed at the end - time >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > of >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > the >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > universe. What survives is the Truth behind life and >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > nothing >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > else. >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 3:33 AM, archytas >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > <[email protected]> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > wrote: >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > What survives is the gene - subject to mutations etc. >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > We >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > are >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > already >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > 'Borg' in the sense of mass assimilation. One's mind >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > could >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > be >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > transposed to another substrate (nearish future) - our >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > bodies >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > are >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > currently replaced every 5 years or so- and the new >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > substrate >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > could >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > have nanobots that would allow minds to outlive Lee's >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > 'hope'. >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > Such >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > substrated minds might link in super-intelligence and >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > be >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > able to >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > re- >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > transfer into more human-like bodies they learned to >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > make. >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > This >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > would >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > be a time beyond singularity. We don't know what such >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > intelligence >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > might invent or even discover - perhaps such >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > intelligence >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > would >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > discover we are not as alone as we think. Being human >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > or >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > human >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > being >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > might be as irrelevant as a mitochondria wanting to >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > live >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > free >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > again. >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > We might be free of the tiny machines (genes) so much >> >> ... >> >> read more ยป- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > -- > > >
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